Just incredibly uninformed/ignorant. If the parents could create a gay orientation - why then do hetero parents "have" and raise gay children? Orientation is not passed down from parent to child. If their son turns out to be gay, he would have been that way, even if he had been raised by a haredi family. And the whole "have" and "raise" is just silly. The child is theirs, and will grow up to love his daddies every bit as much as he would a daddy and a mommy. I know, Ben Jabo, with your biases you can't believe that, but it is very true. Yes, he will be raised in a non-traditional family. But if he is loved and well cared for by both daddies - he will accept that just fine. And opening a can or worms? Doesn't any person who considers having (raising, parenting - whatever symantic you prefer) do just that? Having children and cans of worms go hand in hand. Only which particular worms pop out of the can may difffer with the circumstances of the can that is the particular family.

is not normal either, Jake. But it hasn't stopped you.

Who is God? The God of Abraham, who commanded man not to lie with another man? If youre atheist, I can understand being pro-gay, but you preachers seem to believe in God. Very confusing. I do believe that gays can be born gay. In other words, they come into this world with a predisposition of homosexual attraction. However, that does not make it permissible to act on those feelings. We all have challenges to overcome, to pretend that homosexuality is normal doesn't help the gay man. This is my Torah-based outlook on homosexuality, so if you don't believe in Torah lets just agree to disagree.

"Conversion therapy" is a fraud. It HAS been tried for decades, despite the article making it sound like no one has "really" tried it. Every major medical and health organization in the US says it doesn't work. In fact, at times it pushes people to despair and suicide. So rather than "preventing" suicide, it causes it. Those pushing fraudulent, harmful "therepies" to eradicate God's gay children do not know God, because God is love, not fraud and harm. Anyone thinking of trying this fraudulent "therapy" should check out "truthwinsout.org" first.

"Every accredited medical, psychological and scientific institution in the United States agrees that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both normal, natural and unchangeable sexual orientations." Your impossible exaggerations are showing. Whenever you see "all" or "every study" or "everyone agrees in the scientific institutions," it is exaggeration used to bully nothing more than opinion. Twelve percent is a significant portion of change. Think what would happen if Torah logic were used to guide them to the path of tzedek.

by the lowlevel of discourse on this subject, i.e, mainly rants by gays and their defenders pretending to know all about this study and that study which prove that you're born gay and can't change, blah blah blah. Nonsense. I'm surprised no ever hear of jonah.org and other sites regularly advertised at arutzsheva.com. Take a look and you'll see that there is a track record of success for those gays who wish to change.

#24, A symbol of immorality? The rainbow was God's sign of his covenant with all the children of Noach that He wouldn't go all wrathful-destruction-on-mankind with a flood again. Perhaps they chose a rainbow because of the "flood" of negativity directed against them, and they needed a symbol of aiming for a future when they wouldn't have to endure such a flood of negativity again.

Nobody forces a gay to undergo a conversion therapy.If they do so,they have good reasons.Even if the chances to get straight are small.it is worth the try. Most gays are decent ,fine,sensitive people.Why should we discourage them trying to be FULLY happy,which is only possible with a partner of different gender.

Unfortunately there are also suicides among gays,without conversion therapy.

The major factor here is that people are being sold a load of goods by religious quacks and organizations such as Evangelical Christians and Jewish Orthodox. It is true that it is difficult to grow up as a LGBT individual because of negative talk and bullying, and as a result, most kids and young adults wish they weren't gay. Then to be told by your friends, family, and then religion (G-d) that you don't matter and are abnormal is another blow to the system. To be fed the hope that you can now be "cured" of homosexuality, and then find out that it doesn't really work is very detrimental and leads to greater rates of suicide among religious LBGT. Most of the leaders of these groups are "Ex-LGBT" and when asked if they are still attracted to same sex individuals, they always say yes. Seriously, how is this fair to them, their spouses and their children. What you are creating are dysfunctional families.

First no one is forcing any one to change, you either want to or your don’t, if your happy then stay “gay” if your not what have you got to loose but try and change and if you can’t you can’t say you did not try. I have been called a hero because nine years ago I started the change therapy even went on a special weekend over Shabbat without breaking it. A little history of myself, never into girls as a teen but I never acted out with a guy until much later. I took some doctors advice when I lived in Netanya who told me to get married and my “homosexual” feeling will go away, big mistake they don’t go away if you don’t get the proper treatment, so I guess, well actually I know from experience there are many married guys out there with homosexual feelings who are living unhappy lives because they did not have the courage to undergo or try therapy. By the way I see this doctor many times walking the streets of Jerusalem and feel like walking up to him and giving him a piece of my mind. It been at least four years now since I acted out with a guy, yes I have feeling for men still but with the aid of the therapy and being in a group with other SSA (same sex attraction) guys who want to change I have changed, I know how to deal with those feelings when I get them. Okay its not been 100% successful, yes the feelings are still there, I am married with a family a number of years and wish to remain there with my wife. Its not easy but I don’t regret it, it also depends on how much you work on yourself. Drug addicts give up on drugs and alcoholics give up on their drink if they can do it then a homosexual can give up on being with another guy. Yes people will tell you it did not work for them, yes they will stand on a platform and tell you how harmful it is, yes these people are either happy with they way they are of were unlucky with they way their therapy went or they did not try hard enough. Yes I have my ups and downs, doesn’t every one. Yes I might watch the wrong type of porn at times but don’t most men do that, I mean who gave a straight married guy permission to watch girls half or fully naked, did you check up on what your husbands after he was on the PC, so don’t condemn me when I go off the derech sometimes. Have a great week, Shavua Tov.

I thought it was called naarative therapy. Look, these arguments mostly miss the point. If someone with same sex attractions wants to change, why shopuldn't he be allowed to try? What's wrong with supporting their decision. NOONE is forcing these changes. It's not due to intolerance.This is about, for any number of reasons - religious conviction/belief not least of them, wanting to change. It CAN work. It did for me. For 34 yeasr I lived with homosexual attractions, fantasies, acting out....I DID marry and raise a family. I thought it would all go away. It DIDN'T. I was an absentee husband and father as I lived my fantasies and ssa attractions on the side. Thank G-d, I learned where it came from. why I've had it for all these years, and how to address it and deal with it. I no longer have sex with men. ANY kind of sex. I no longer DESIRE sex or intimatacy with men. It worked for me.

that they are not straight,are i think,more likely to succeed their conversion.These are NOT born gays.They became gay, as they were expected to feel attracted by women.At an age, they were not yet ripe for that. Instead, they felt disgust. I wish them a happy future

Actual studies--as opposed to those carried out by hucksters selling their 'therapy programs'--show that changing someone's orientation is not something we can do. Why would we want to? Is it really easier to change another person than to accept that they were meant to be what they are?