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Haredim 'taking over' periphery
Ofer Peteresburg
Published: 23.02.11, 20:40
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1. Hopefully tel aviv will stay expensive!!!
david ,   uk/rsa   (02.23.11)
2. the haredim do not take over anything
olim hadashim ,   tel aviv/israel   (02.23.11)
they are our brothers and sisters .
3. Good for them!
Dave ,   Hod Hasharon   (02.23.11)
4. Why don't they care about workplaces?
Ze'ev ,   Lod   (02.23.11)
Because they don't work! Go to work! Stop taking tax money and giving us 18 children that require medical services paid for yet again by tax money!
5. Haredim fulfilling Ben Gurion's dream :)
eddie ,   london UK   (02.23.11)
Kol hakavod to the Zionist haredim , who are settling the desert and the galillee, areas which are not fashionable for modern secularists who like the TA area.
6. haredim
meir ,   london   (02.23.11)
to no2- totaly true. I think that israelis are too critical of haredim. Haredim help keep the jewish population in israel constant which is an important demographic weapon against israeli arabs
7. Racism of Regev
Reuvain ,   New York   (02.24.11)
Would Regev suggest a planning policy for blacks in Brooklyn or Mexicans in LA. People have the right to buy homes in urban areas as they choose. The free market is the determining factor. Funny thing how those on the left can argue for population planning and claim to loving tolerant, democratic and even as they call it progressive. What would the left say if someone called for planning for Arabs.
8. Good- let them disenfranchise themselves in the Negev
Rafi ,   Hertzliya   (02.23.11)
Haradim are the biggest money grabbering Schnors the country has, and I am truely scared to think what Israel will look like in 20 years with their and the Arab population growth rates. Take take take, thats their religion, not the beautiful religion Judaism really is.
9. poverty
chana ,   Tel Aviv   (02.24.11)
haredim poor??! how can they buy then for all of the crowd of their children big appartments - a lot of secular people and not only young, have to rent appartments and have no money to buy not even to "low" prices - it looks as if they get very high subsidies for doing nothing
10. Good it will keep them out of Tel Aviv
Haim ,   Tel Aviv   (02.24.11)
11. #8 is an example of brainwashing by the media
Shalom Hartman   (02.24.11)
I beg all those of you who think that hareidim are just "bloodsuckers" who grab money from the coffers to try coming to a "hareidi enclave" like Kiryat Sefer or Beitar and meet the people. Next time you are in a queue next to a hareidi, talk to him/her. You may just find that your opinions change.
12. Tackle the real problem: separation of religion and State.
Michael ,   California, USA   (02.24.11)
13. haredim
Mike ,   UK   (02.24.11)
Forget the notion that haredim, unpalatable as they are, somehow compensate for their inadequacies by increasing the number of Jews. The haredim are only for themselves, they see secular jews as a commodity to feed, house and protect them, and of course to draw them into their ridiculous cults and hero worship of decrepid Rabbis. No future for normal people in Israeli's - a theocracy is heading your way.
14. First of all build affordable housing for
jason white ,   afula, israel   (02.24.11)
Jews that served in the I.D.F.! They deserve it and let the hara-dim buy houses on the periphery of Israel, like jordan or gaza or syria.
15. Keep the Haridim away from me unless
Moishe ,   Ashdod   (02.24.11)
they leave me alone and let me live my life the way I want to, not the way they want me to. Let them also go to the army.
16. Stop complaining
JD ,   Israel   (02.24.11)
Seculars should stop complaining as they themselves had no interest in these places at all. At least the chareidim are helping to keep the Jewish majority in the country. If we counted on the secular, the Arabs would have outnumbered us a long time ago. Seculars barely get married or have children and without children there is no future for a nation. PS: I am not chareidi.
17. Stop the madness
Carl   (02.24.11)
Cut the subsidies to the haredi cult to zero. Make them go in the army like everyone else and then you'll see a miracle. they will have less kids and will actually work for a living.
18. As a working Haredi person,it's shocking to be so disparaged
(02.24.11)
and so virulently attacked in these talkbacks. I'm one of "those" Hasidim, actually. I find myself absolutely powerless to stop being attacked, maligned and lumped with some prefab media image that does, unfortunately, exist, but not to the rabidly hate-mongering extent that one is LED to believe. I fail to see what Ynet and the various liberal media have to gain by this incessant barrage, this singular focus on perpetuating hatred between what is essentially....family. Perhaps by cultivating a mob-mentality of united hatred, common cause, it increases readership loyalty?!? I have to agree with Mr. Hartman (tb#11). Meet some of "those" Haredim. Start a conversation. You may be surprised, if you take an informal poll, how many ARE working, how many are just living their everyday NON-conniving/scheming/cartoon-esque lives the same as you are, essentially (family, job, friends, shopping, eating -- you know...real PEOPLE). Please. Stop the bashing. Stop the pavlovian response to the media firing you up, selling you a story of a lump of "those Haredim". I'm not like that. Many many others aren't either.
19. Living with haredim in Bet Shemesh
Non-haredi ,   Bet Shemesh   (02.24.11)
The majority of haredim are considerate, quiet, decent neighbours. However, once a city gets to have a haredi majority, an aggressive haredi minority tries to take over and drive out the non-haredi inhabitants. This has happened where I live, in Bet Shemesh. There have been many incidents of verbal and physical abuse by haredim, especially against women. There are areas in my own city that I am afraid to enter. The rabbis do very little to control the perpetrators, either out of fear or tacit approval. I don't like it when cities are opposed to haredi families moving in, as this is blaming the innocent majority for the acts of a small group. But I can understand that people want to avoid their own communities ending up like Bet Shemesh.
20. Poor?
Chaya ,   Jerusalem   (02.24.11)
I would be interested in where they get money to buy apartments when they are in poverty.
21. Inflammatory language and anti-religious bigotry
Menachem ,   Israel   (02.24.11)
Orthodox Jews are our brothers and sisters and have the same right to live wherever they want in Israel as all Israelis. Where should the Haredim live according to bigotted people like Peteresburg? The moon?
22. #13 Bigotry & ignorance
Menachem ,   Israel   (02.24.11)
The majority of Haredi Jews in Israel are decent people and the most of them increasingly identify themselves with Israel and want to be part of Israeli society. The number of Haredim in the IDF and the work force keeps going up. Most young Haredi Israelis today speak Hebrew in contrast to the previous generation which mostly spoke Yidisch. We still have problems that need to be solved but Israel has a bright future -in contrast to your Londonistan which is siking into the pit of darkness.
23. It's either EDUCATION or ERADICATION, stupid! The sane
tom ,   tel aviv   (02.24.11)
"Brothers&Sisters" (that's me, a hiloni Jew) will be victim of our drugged/half insane, Torah-obiding Brothers&Sisters. All this will come to pass in the most democratic, civilized way.Just watch and tell me I am wrong!
24. To #18
Carl   (02.24.11)
Wow, some Haredim are working. Great, why aren't all able bodied Haredim working instead of living off my taxes? Why do my son and I have to go the army and the Haredim don't? Why do the Haredim try to tell me how to live my life and define Judaism for me? Open your eyes and you'll see why the Hardedim are resented.
25. To #24 Carl
Zvika ,   Jerusalem   (02.24.11)
Why are some able-bodied hilonim not working and instead are loafing and ripping off bituach le'umi (your tax money). Why aren't so many tzfoni leftist kids and entertainers and others going to the army? Why are the radical, bohemian representatives of non-jewish 'culture' allowed to influence the public as to what 'values' are important in life? Open YOUR eyes bro'.
26. To all the anti-religious Jews anti-semites..I have a simple
Al   (02.24.11)
suggestion. Get the hell out of Isreal and take your hazer fressing ways with you. The jig is up...YOu are the parasites..You are the usurpers..You are the ones who deny Israel's past and future. Israels greatest strength lies in its history religion and language. If Israel cant be the consumer twitter nation that you all want to emulate then by all means move to outbacks of NZ CANADA USA AUSTRALIA etc and find yourselves. Isreal is for proud Jews...Leave Israel to those Jews who want to be Jews. I may not be very religious but I take pride in the fact that I live amongst hassidim and my kids are religious. They are the continuum that guarantees the Jewish peoples surrvival. We will live forever only becuse there are those of us who will never ever compromise our religious beliefs and traditions. Finally as one who is not a poor man, let me tell you ..the more junk you own the more of a prisoner you are. Freedom is defined as one who lives according to ones belief without guilt or pain. Western consumer societies are full of people with empty souls but full closets.
27. #24 Charedim are individuals just like you and me
Menachem ,   Israel   (02.24.11)
Not only non-Charedi Jews but the silent majority of Charedi Jews realize that the status-quo arrangement struck 6 decades ago between Israel and the Charedi leadership doesn't work anymore. The silent majority of Charedim identify with Israel and want to be part of Israeli society. Many Charedi Israelis work and this number keeps rising just like their number increases in IDF and other forms of national service. Don't demonize all Charedi Israelis for the actions of a vocal religious extremist minority. With time and hard work, the gulf between religious and secular Jews in Israel will be bridged just it was bridged between mizrahi and ashkenazi Jews a generation ago.
28. is a secular or dati light Jew like me not a real Jew?
Rafi ,   Hertzliya   (02.24.11)
while i define myself as religious i have a great deal of respect for secular Jews, those i served with in the army in my combat unit, a unit with plenty of other religious soldiers (never a problem of a minyan on Shabbat) but not a Haradi to be found (thank God lol). now i can understand how the haradim participating in this talkback are so defensive what I cannot comprehend is why so many secular or traditional people are so blind to see what is happening to our country, how the haradim are destroying the Zionist dream by bankrupting the economy, and just taking, taking, and rioting.....what a boucha (disgrace)
29. To #25
Carl   (02.24.11)
There's a difference between individuals behaving unethically and an entire group which is organized to live parasitically off the state and uses religious parties to defend them. The biggest disgrace is that this cult has somehow manged to define themselves as the only true Jews. In fact they have done more than any other factor to turn Jews against Judaism.
30. To all Seculars
Yecheskel Shimon ,   Ramat Gan   (02.24.11)
HA HA HA HA - Having a dog & and 1 spoiled rotten brat druged up child in india isny going to help you against the Chareidim. Stop fighting G-D and search the truth and then you will stop eating your heart out.
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