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Rabbis send letter of support to Katsav
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 24.02.11, 07:30
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1. What Do They Know They The Judge Didn't?
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (02.24.11)
Something is missing here. Do they have secret inside information about this case? Did they interview the victims? Very strange.
2. Where can one see the list of rabbis?
Observer ,   Israel   (02.24.11)
3. He was an accomplice to RAPE
Uri ,   Israel   (02.24.11)
Katzav is a disgrace because he was a accomplice in the crime against the Jews of Gush Katif and for that matter all Jews. He helped rape them and all of Israel for his own kavod. These rabbis should be ashamed of themselves for supporting this man in anyway even if he did not rape these women. He did far worse.
4. What a bunch of ldiots
Avi ,   Israel   (02.24.11)
Katsav has been tried in a court of law and beyond all reasonable doubt was found guilty a fact his lawyers also admit. These so called rabbis are trying in a pathetic attempt to get him off the charges as hes one of theirs. They were not present in the court when all the evidence was heard. They are making assumptions based on their lack of intelligence and their biast opinions as Katsav is religious.
5. Can any of you talkbackers
Israeli 2   (02.24.11)
tell me what solid evidence of RAPE was there besides testimonies? RAPE is not the same as consensual sex. Was there a camera showing him RAPING (which means by force against her will.)??? Were there at least two witnesses present seeing him RAPE? Just because a few females collaberating and accusing him of the same thing...is that sufficient evidence? And you dare call this justice? Your sinat chinam is truly overwhelming. I am very sadly
6. Of course, they do exactly the same
Oren ,   Or Yehuda   (02.24.11)
When are people going to realize that the most immoral people are those that say they are religious
7. Katsav was found quilty ..will be punished...Lets move on
Al   (02.24.11)
There are way bigger fish to fry.. Watch Iran Syria Egypt...those are the real challenges in the very near future.
8. Our pure rabbis; the messiah's 'avant guarde'
jo   (02.24.11)
Waiting for the return of "pureness" (99.9 % pure). Very drole ! I am searching dip, very dip, in order to find (discover) a period in time ; Any period in our public life, when and where such "pureness" O paradise ever existed. Rabbis don't rape, don't molest children (like priests), they don't steal, don't lie, never abuse their wives, nor embezzle from the Govt...! Aviner being on this 'preffered' list, and a rabbi's list at that, doesn't surprise me the least. It make's it an original straight from the " Highest Authority "
9. The shame of political Judaism
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (02.24.11)
Here we go again with religious leaders sticking their heads up their kiesters and showing us how economic-political Judaism is an ugly sickness affecting this country. Last week it was another rabbi telling us the Torah forbids women teaching boys above grade 4. There is no shortage of sex crimes perpetrated by the orthodox and ultra-orthodox where community leaders spit on the victims and endorse the crime by saying the sex attacker has "good character". I remember a particularly sick case about 15 years ago where a Haredi man was convicted of forcibly having sex with his underage niece, yet community rabbis appealed for a light sentence because he was an "upstanding man". To you, Israeli2, there's no sinat chinam involved when the president of the country repeatedly has extra-marital sex. It doesn't even matter if it's consensual or not - since the Torah is very, very, very specific on this. Katsav is forbidden from having sex with anybody other than his wife. He even admitted that he did - meaning his sin is a sin, and you can't fob it off by ranting about "sinat chinam". You want justice Israeli2? What is supposed to happen to Katsav the adulterer?
10. Prominant Rabbis support rape?
Rich ,   Toronto, Canada   (02.24.11)
What kind of Judaism is that?
11. NO.5
JEW1 ,   ASH&IL   (02.24.11)
First of all judges did not come out of alladin lamp! They are sitting in that chiar because they are worth it and know what r they doing... If Katsav was not doing anything wrong then why did he tape the conversations between him and complainers? Ofcourse because he can see future and wanted to protect himself or because he knew what he is doing and was building evidence from his side in case one of them gets the courage to ask for justice? Get real and see the facts... 8th March is women's day and i hope that justice will be served on that day.
12. same '' prominent rabbis'' also support killing of non-jews
rachel ,   galut   (02.24.11)
Now '' rabbonim'' support rape/ extra-marital sex. '' religious zionism'' is such a shonda. misnomer of HUGE proportions.
13. Courts aren't infallible; HaShem IS.
chava ,   yerushalayim   (02.24.11)
If he isn't guilty, despite the court finding him so, HaShem has His ways of making things right --- either in this world or the next. And for those who think he must be guilty since the court said so, please remember those cases in the USA where men served many years for rape, and then when DNA testing became possible, were found to be innocent. Courts aren't infallible. Only HaShem IS.
14. Rabbis letter on Katzav
Adam Gai ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (02.24.11)
To rabbies letter on support of Mr. Katzav , must be added the letters of gratitude from the women he raped. Surely this will fortify him more.
15. I don't understand this
Meir ,   Beit Shemesh   (02.24.11)
These are sane and respected Rabbis, who preach for their followers never to be in the situations that Katsav put himself in, where he could not control himself. What Katsav did was completely against Halacha, so he cannot be supported under any circumstances. These respected Rabbi can only damage their reputation, by having anything to do with Katsav. Instead they should be considerate of his victims, as Rabbi Yuval Sherlo has said.
16. he was unfairly judged by the screaming
pinchas ,   boston   (02.24.11)
media which is more pro-feminist b.s. than even the American media is, and he was tried in kangaroo court fashion. All this super-protection of the accusers so we still don't know who they are-- that's crazy! And we all know how treif and brazen many Israeli women can be, with their chutzpa and immodest dress (an understatement) . A Jew without basic Torah and musar is not only a fish out of water, as R' Akiba said long ago, but will feel uninhibited to harm others for ego gratification.
17. Katsav
Michael Pielet ,   Boca, usa   (02.24.11)
One arab judge and two women judges allowed their prejudice and hatred of Jewish, religious, sephardim to falsely convict an innocent man. There is not one scintilla of corroborative evidence that a rape ever occurred. Just the accusations of an anonymous harlot that nine years previous she was raped.
18. these so called 'rabbis' should be made to understand
Eshkol Hakofer   (02.24.11)
that if they show support to that man, their religion is totally prostituted and bankrupt, why shouldn't the jewish public feel free to east a ham and cheese sandwich for breakfast with coffee with cream on yom kippur at the kossel men in the women section, and women in the men section in bikini on the lap of rabbi aviner?
19. 13 Chava: Good letter. I have been slandered, libeled, and
Rivkah   (02.24.11)
perjured and framed many times in my life for REFUSING propositions by males who propositioned me or attacked me and tried to cover up what happened. So being framed is certainly possible and Joseph in Scriptures is a good example of that. He went to prison for 13 years after falsely being accused of trying to rape Potipher's wife. What bothers me about this case is that Aleph did not scream which Scriptures requires of an innocent rape victim if she is in the city and there is anyone who can hear her to rescue her. But fear of what happends when a male's ego is dented is a real fear. I learned what happens when males propositon or attack and then use every means to frame the female to cover the offender's arse. That is why a NO LIE MRI lie detector test is necessary to determine who is lying.
20. 5 Israeli 2...Even consensual sex between two people of
Rivkah   (02.24.11)
unequal authority in the same organization command structure is considered to be criminal rape of the junior person in California.
21. Are these rabbis living in this world?
Norman Gellman ,   Rehovot   (02.24.11)
These rabbis seem to think that anyone who is outwardly religious can do no wrong. They just have to look among themselves to see that this is of course just not true. There knee jerk reaction against the courts is just another reason why religion & state must be seperated.
22. katzav: rabbis innocent
oferdesade ,   israel   (02.24.11)
should b ordained as irish-catholic priests
23. Lie detector finalises everything or does it ?
Roland Seener ,   London England   (02.25.11)
24. corrupt valueless rabbis
jake ,   is   (02.25.11)
dragging the name of judism in the mud
25. Israel's Tea Party
Mea   (02.26.11)
Delusional, conceited, narrow minded, bigoted, unrealistic, racist and warped socially stunted and most of all, not in line with the Lord. Can the good rabbis tell us where in Torah an example rests or a verse supports the raping of women by "officialdom"? Can they point out where it supports the right of any person to be above the law? Where it requires TWo witnesses to support a rape accusation, since no one rapes in front of witnesses? Is there such thing as rape in their view? IF they declare that the current leaders of the nation are somehow doing the Lord's work for a Biblical Israel, can they tell us what scripture separates the national court system from that special heirarchy? You cannot have it both ways, and if they demand that somehow THEY, above and beyond the court system have special powers of perception in rape cases involving presidents, they must be able to issue precise scirptural support and not simply declare that they are rabbis so that's all that matters. You see, the problem with that is that it weakens further the minuscule support 90% of Israelis feel for anything religious. And THAT is what makes their publicity stunt letter a shame and a sin. It lessens the interest any person contemplating deepening their observance, because lies get in the way of spiritual progress. When rabbis lie and utilize their positions for political purpose, they harm the nation itself. More than that, they harm real people, especially victims of rape, who question rightly a society supportive of rabbis who make such horrendous public gestures.
26. katzav
sas ,   israel   (02.26.11)
is a rapist and belongs behind bars for a long time. he is a sick man and i woud not like him to live near me. he needs intensive treatment but at his age - will it help??????? Gila is DUMB to let him back into the house. she should have changed the locks.
27. Could the media please publish some evidence against katsav?
Michael ,   Canada   (02.27.11)
I don't know whether he is guilty or innocent but it seems that the courts have put in no effort to convince the public. The public should be made aware of what evidence there is against him, for instance testimonies of both sides. Like in the case of Clinton, of which there was much media coverage. However, it seems the courts are content to say "trust us" and rely on the stupidity of a public that lynches anyone accused of rape. This is coming from someone who feels confident that there was wrongdoing but is hesitant to label someone as a rapist without any evidence. Shame on those that do so.
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