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Let the children stay
Yigal Sarna
Published: 07.03.11, 18:04
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1. Yigal Sarna
Moshe ,   T/A Israel   (03.07.11)
With respect,your Kids are Israeli and legal and you are not using your kids to defy the law and of course by defying the law also encouraging the next wave to do the same. There are no implications involved,unless of course the implication is that you can break the law and be rewarded as the parents of these children are doing. These kids are being used as pawns,they are and their parents are totally illegal,if we open the door to this we can never close it
2. Let see to us first
Amihai ,   Yesha   (03.07.11)
It NEVER bother anyone of you when OUR kids, OUR family were (and are) arrested, chained, in order to expel them from places where the're born and have lived. Gush katif, ever heard about ??? Otherwise, what you're doing, it's giving an easy way to flood israeli : come here, make children, and you will be able to stay as long as you want. Before long, we'll be overcome. And law is law, if you break it, that's it. But let's first make sure we're not doing this to our OWN children.
3. What future is there for them?
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.07.11)
1. They are not Jews. 2. They will not serve in the IDF. 3. By letting them stay, Israel is opening itself to a flood of undesirable illegal aliens. Israel is a safe haven for Jews, not the flotsam and jetsam that is pushed from their respective countries for economic reasons. 4. There is no denying that they are a drain on Israel's social services. As a result, our elderly -- who built our country -- do not get the services they need. I don't mean to be harsh, but reality and the law trump all. These children have no claim to Israeli citizenship, despite having been born in Israel. Citizenship to non-Jewish foreigners is awarded considerably more selectively. These children do not constitute a legitimate exception.
4. They are not Israeli and should be expelled to EU
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (03.07.11)
who will take good care of them just like all the other people they let in. There is ONE Jewish nation called Israel, you don't see any of the 22 arab nations offering to take in the children do you?
5. A suggestion : The author shall finance
olim hadashim ,   tel aviv/israel   (03.07.11)
the succesful integration of these kids in their native lands. .He can also stay there for the rest of his life in order to help futher.He will prove that he stands behind his words which is more worthy than writing here stupid essays.
6. stop this garbage
miriam ,   israel   (03.07.11)
Oh come on! dont give me that! Every country needs laws to exist and has to respect them. you want to replace the law by emotions, feelings or sentiments. If there are no more place for laws in this country you better close the knesset and the court rooms and replace them by soap opera actors or by ydishe mame's cries.
7. bunnie meyer-what relevence do the arabs and Eu have 2 this?
anat ,   israel   (03.07.11)
This is a domestic matter, youre talking nonsense
8. You either don't understand or this is pure manipulation
Schreiber   (03.07.11)
Europe is already shouting to the world what a big mistake it made when it opened its heart and arms to the unfortunate of the world. Government leaders of several European countries have come out in public to say multiculturalism does not work. Waxing poetic about what's on these little children's minds (how do YOU know?) and about their alleged patriotism does not have a place within a grown up OpEd section. I'll tell you something, Yigal Sarna. When these kids reach their pre-teens and the dreaded teens, they'll look desperately for their identity and they won't find it in a Jewish country. Where will they find it instead? In people who look like them in other places and among each other. You'll have an alienated and maybe even angry population - one more alienated and angry social group to placate and fear, as if you didn't have enough problems already. If you use reason instead of sentimentality, you'll realize that the best you can do for unfortunate non-Jewish ethnic groups is to help them thrive in their own societies. There are many ways to do this, even if you have to go around the discredited UN to help them. It's condescending to assume that only Israel can provide these children with love and acceptance, implying that their own societies are incapable of it.
9. Sarna
Michael Pielet ,   Boca raton   (03.07.11)
The land of israel is for the people of Israel, the Jews. Not arabs or other foreign people. All those foreigners should be deported along with Sarna. Better yet give the Jews of south Tel Aviv a break and move all these foreigners to Ramat Aviv, Kfar Sharyahu, Herzlia Pituach where they can live in style with the ZIFONIM. Israelies are such phoney do gooder hypocrites!
10. A few hundred children are just the tip of the iceberg
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (03.07.11)
That "the children" are used as props in a game of emotional manipulation is clear when he writes, "Can any Israeli imagine these kids being captured, detained, arrested, pushed onto a plane ..." But the problem extends far beyond the few hundred children. If it were not the thousands that are directly or indirectly connected to them, this would be another matter. But more than 400 new infiltrators are arriving EVERY MONTH! And what of untold tens of thousands of former "guest workers" as well as Arabs from the territories already there with ever more coming? Some of us have watched as Europe changed over the last decade or two before our very eyes. A parallel change is taking place in Israel, but few have the courage to deal with it. To Sarna I would ask, "How many is too many?", with the follow-on question, "And then what?" I'd also ask what's missing in the upbringing of his children that they are less attached to Israel than foreign workers' kids.
11. in principle...
Emma ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (03.07.11)
the author is correct. However, how can he claim that, for example, a 2 year old child has links to the country (especially in cases where the parents entered the country on a tourist visa). If the families were to be deported to France or Germany, no one would make a fuss. The real problem is that we are talking about far, far more than 400 children (a number dreamed up by some NGO). This does not include parents, siblings, and the message which will be sent out to anyone seeking to improve their lives in impoverished 3rd world countries.
12. illegals
frank ,   israel   (03.08.11)
please let's not confuse the issue. Illegals are illegals are illegals and all your whinning and crying about children do not change the situation that they are NOT legal and should be deported. We are either a nation of laws or a nation of chaos. This is not a situation of sending them to their death, this is a stiuation of sending them to their RIGHTFUL home but for their parents complete disregard for our laws. I haven't heard anyone crying about the mexican borders and how they are deported when caught. I don't hear about the EU taking in every single person that shows up on their steps. Why are we held to yet another standard? SEND THEM HOME. It is actually a kindness we are doing them. They should grow up in THEIR OWN country. I am not blaming them, they are children, but their parents are to blame. I do not believe I must bare the price of the sins of their parents. If the liberals out there think they should, they should start a fund, put money in and send them home with pockets of money to start their life in THEIR HOME.....We have so little but the world expects so much from us. If we do not live up to THEIR expectations we are bad. The time has come to live up to OUR expectations and our obligations to OUR citizens!!!!!
13. Leftist propaganda. They are not attached to Israel !
(03.08.11)
They are ILLEGALS.
14. no to multiculturalism ! I agree with # 8 !!!
(03.08.11)
15. contradiction
David ,   Modi'in   (03.08.11)
on one hand you say not to deport a 12 year old girl as she has been here since she was 8 and doesn't have another country - but then you say we should not deport 4 year olds as this is their home
16. If expelling Israelis bothered them
Ilan ,   Ariel   (03.08.11)
The same people who would expel people from their homes in Gush Katif and Judea and Samaria have all of a sudden decided that forcibly moving someone from their home is not just 'a change in address" as they claim with Israelis. The hypocrisy sickens me.
17. More misdirection...
Michael Davison ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (03.08.11)
Any motion to "save the children from deportation" is misdirection. It's NOT the children who are being deported, but their parents, who are illegal residents. Is Mr. Sarna suggesting that we deport the parents and keep the children? That WOULD be inhuman. Logic demands that as long as their parents are fit parents, children belong with their parents. If those parents are lawbreakers and are deported, the children are just "collateral damage"--damage brought about by the actions of the parents. Those protesting the "deportation of children" without mentioning the bare fact that it's the children's parents who created the situation are doing their best to ignore the truth and play on emotions--and have no respect for the law.
18. #3
Mike Carmel ,   Rishon le Zion   (03.08.11)
Sarah, you exaggerate. 1. So what if they are not Jews? Many people here are not and they thrive and live just like you do. 2. They WILL serve in the IDF. I remember when I was younger several soldiers who were not Jews. 3. They are not "flotsam and jetsam". They are human beings who were born here. That is a horrible thing to say. 4. The drain on the social services is all those lazy people who don't work - drug addicts and the so-called "single mothers" most of whom are just divorcees etc. These people do not receive benefits like they do. 5. They do have a very legitimate claim to citizenship, in the eyes of most enlightened people, having been born here. Sarah, you really are being too harsh. These are nice people who will contribute their share to society if they are given the chance.
19. To: Mike at No. 18
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.08.11)
Then let them contribute their share to society someplace else. Sorry, I'm not going to change my mind about this one. Israel is diverse enough a society already. Any more diversity and we will diversify ourselves out of existence. They are NOT Jews. They never WILL BE Jews. I'm sorry, but nowhere in the world is economic improvement a justification for entering and staying in a country illegally. Why should Israel be the one to open the floodglates? Don't we have enough on our plates already? The way things are disintegrating in Europe and in Latin America, Israel will likely soon have to absorb nearly a million Jews. I'd rather spend our precious resources on them, and on improving the lives of Jews already living in Israel. Someone else can absorb the non-Jews. Send them to Europe -- let them put their multicultural money where their mouths are.
20. #19 I agree
Linichka ,   Gdynia, Poland   (03.08.11)
All this sniveling about the "expulsion of children" is sentimental nonsense. Not the kids' fault, of course, but that of their parents, who either entered illegally or outstayed their worker's visas. Israel is not 19th century America, a huge haven for the desperate immigrants from every corner of the earth, with land and possibilities for all, but a very small country whose natural dedication must be to those who founded it, fought for it and are making it prosper - the Jews.
21. #16
Cal ,   New York, USA   (03.08.11)
Those "homes" were not part of Israel.
22. #19
Mike Carmel ,   Rishon le Zion   (03.08.11)
OK !! We agree to disagree on this!
23. And these children are not Israelis #21
Ilan ,   Ariel   (03.09.11)
So causing pain and disruption to Israelis is acceptable to you. These children have no claim to be Israelis. They and their parents have a homeland and it is not Israel. You can stay in New York, they can go back to their countries, and I will live in Ariel. Happy ending for all concerned.
24. #3 Sarah B
Truthseeker ,   USA   (03.09.11)
Even as I read this article about the plight of the children to be deported I knew that there would be a comment from the heartless Sarah B. Sarah, have your forgotten the Jewish admonition to welcome the stranger? I guess in your case a stranger is only welcome if he or she is of the "chosen people." Once again you have shown your true colors Sarah B. and they dark and ugly.
25. to sarah b
JL   (03.09.11)
just curious as to your take on non jews married to israeli jews that recieve citzenship legally....
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