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Reform Jews: No to 'kosher' bus lines
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 26.04.11, 07:51
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1. What ?!?
Amihai ,   Yesha   (04.26.11)
Those reforms are always asking that we let them do as they want where they want, even if it goes against the place's custom. And now, they want to impose their own view too??? I'm no supporter of those bus lines but the reform movement here is hypocritical...
2. Maybe those bus lines shouldn't accommodate Haredim
American Sabrah   (04.26.11)
If the Haredim really want sex segregated buses then they should start their private bus company.And they would if Egged wouldn't wouldn't allow them to have their way.Egged and the other bus lines won't go out of business if a group of disgruntled Haredim decide not to ride their buses anymore.They do not have the political power to force their standards upon everyone else especially when it comes to public transportation. They need to look for other alternatives.
3. Obviously endangered species....
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (04.26.11)
have strange priorities .
4. 15 activists...WOW a whole 15. Isnt that important!
shadoil ,   Jerusalem   (04.26.11)
5. so, don't take those busses-simple
ecr   (04.26.11)
6. aahh yes...the "reformers"
Julie ,   Israel   (04.26.11)
can't manage a Shabbat service without a guitar (no Torah, but lots of GEE-tar)
7. "kosher bus"??
Daniel ,   Sfarad/Israel   (04.26.11)
First of all, kosher bus are not kosher. It is imposible to me to think that mixed seats in buses could go against the Torah. Apart from that, it goes against the democratic definition of Israel against discrimination. Why do Ben Gurion let so much power to haredim (incorrectly called "religious")??? and why do we have to continue his mistakes?
8. Reform clergy
avi ,   nyc   (04.26.11)
are against anything kosher.
9. idea
a jew ,   israel   (04.27.11)
if the reform don't want tzniut in buses than let them have their own buses.
10. modest buses
rafi ,   london   (04.27.11)
let the reform get their own transportation and they should stop picking on g-d fearing Jews!
11. let my people go
metilda ,   egypt   (04.27.11)
chametz = mixed buses.
12. simple
na nach ,   Israel   (04.27.11)
tikkun habrit means separate seating !!
13. go kosher
go kosher ,   ISRAEL   (04.27.11)
may there be tznius everywhere amen!
14. As a haredi woman
Babishka ,   USA/Mea Shearim   (04.27.11)
I have no use for these segregated buses. I have even less use for these "reform" activists. The more they try to push themselves into haredi affairs, the more trouble they cause. There are plenty of mixed buses, please ride and shut up!
15. Haredi busses
J.B ,   U.S.A   (04.27.11)
There should be a one way sex segregated religious bus straight to Tel Hashomer Army induction center.
16. your glasses are on your nose
m ,   diaspora jew   (04.27.11)
you should not be able to force levels of observance or tzniut on others in Public; only maintain your own observance--like a mensch. while im no fan of reformed judaism, most participants are 100% jewish (just as jewish if not more than most Haredi) and are great supporters of Israel. It is disgusting when Haredi or the Left for that matter, attacks Israel for all to see--this is against the Jewish people and...stupid. Torah should increase wisdom please Gd, not make you act like an idiot.
17. Nothing Kosher about it
Josh   (04.27.11)
It is un-kosher to add to Torah. Torah has no such prohibitions for men and women in travel. There were no machizahs in the exodus.
18. Its not that hard. If a woman gets on and there is no open
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (04.27.11)
seat that is with a woman or empty, she simply asks a younger man to stand so she can sit. He stands and another woman can sit next to her. NO MIXED SEATING and younger men can stand.
19. this isnt about busses its about hating all things religious
zionist forever   (04.27.11)
These bus lines only run through certain haredi neighborhoods and its what both the men and women want it. Women especially don't like being on cramped busses squashed up against men they don't know. This segregated bus service is not the mainline its only a few busses that go on certain routes. Everybody loves to hate the haredi and complain they want to impose their way of doing things on seculars. These so called progressives are no better than the more radical members of the haredi community because they are now trying to use the law to impose their way onto the orthodox and its non of their business. This is about taking some kind of anti religion crusade. In places like Ramat Aviv are on an anti religion crusade and they say the orthodox are taying to take over if there is a leaflet in the mall explaining to people how to koeher their electrical appliances for Pessach. This is supposed to be a Jewish state but it borders but orthodox jews are persecuted here more than in the diaspora. Seculars take the attitude that anyway of life that places restrictions on you do things there is no place for in todays world and even borders on anti sematism.
20. Do It The Japanese Way!
Robert Blum ,   New York USA   (04.27.11)
In Japan, there are VOLUNTARY train-cars devoted only to allowing women to board. VOLUNTARY "kosher" segregation, should be an issue that is decided upon by women independent of the pushy and domineering influence of the men. The reason for a 'mechitzah', a divider, a seperation in the synagogues between women worshipers and men worshipers is strictly so that MEN focus on prayer, undistracted by the 'fairer' sex and by the men's inherent base instincts.
21. gender segregation on buses is not kosher
Rachel ,   Tel Aviv   (04.28.11)
Contrary to what others have written, it is not the traditional custom in Israel to have gender segregation on buses. This is new and wrong. Reform Jews however do traditionally speak up for the those who cannot speak for themselves. Most people don't want these buses but are pressured to abide.
22. 15 people represent thousands
Abe ,   Jerusalem   (04.28.11)
keep in mind that many ultra-orthodox jews came to the reform movement very secretly because the gender segregation was something that threatened them, of course mainly women. they can't go demonstrate against it because they are too scared to risk social or physical repercussions.
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