Opinion  Sever Plocker
Obama the Zionist
Sever Plocker
Published: 20.05.11, 07:05
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1. who are you trying to kid?
Golan ,   Modiin   (05.20.11)
that is taking a shoestring and declaring its a fire hose that can douse any fire. Obama's administration sees the Muslim brotherhood as "secular" and "pragmatic."
2. Pres Obama even handed
moshe ,   Tivon   (05.20.11)
Yes, Pres Obama was even handed in his approach to the Israeli-palestinian conflict. Perhaps IF Israel every few years did not find it necessary to insure its safety by resorting to the IDF , Israeli Air force, targeted assassinations... perhaps then..., Pres Obama would have a 50% chance of reading the Middle East correctly. BUT Israel has experienced ham, and hiz blood letting , and heard Iran bellowing, and suffered the Turkish delight. Not in the far past, but recently ! It makes NO sense for Israel to risk ALL on the hope that things will work out. That's why Israel has develop[ed anti-missile systems and has trained the IDF, citizen soldiers , to fight unconventional wars. Washington is NOT threatened with obliteratton ...Jerusalem, Tel Aviv , Haifa are threatened ! moshe
3. Why the opinion of small minority is represented by vast
tanya ,   tel aviv israel   (05.20.11)
majority of our media?
4. Did you listen to the speech?
Proud Zionist ,   modi'in, Israel   (05.20.11)
Obama did NOT tell the Palestinians they would have to give up the right of return. He said "first we'll tackle borders and security, then Jerusalem and the refugees." What he endorsed is the Arafat salami strategy of slowly cutting up Israel in stages. Nice try, though.
5. You misread the main point of change
Shalom Freedman ,   Jerusalem Israel   (05.20.11)
President Obama's speech moved yet another bit, and not just a bit in violating the long- standing agreements with Israel. The 1967 borders have always been understood as unacceptable in terms of Israel's security. He gave the Palestinians , who have refused all real negotiation a prize in endorsing these borders. He violated the agreement of Israel with the Bush Administration. Sometimes it is not the whole which must be looked at, but the key detail which changes everything.
6. With Obama, it all depends upon who prompts his teleprompter
(05.20.11)
7. Talk is cheap.
MR ,   Golan, Israel   (05.20.11)
I agree with what you are saying, but until Hamas recognizes that both you and I have the right to exist, Obama or any politician can talk all they want because it won't change a thing.
8. No hope for the Left.
Terry ,   Eilat - Israel   (05.20.11)
Even with the great advances in anti-psychotic medication & the availablity of psychiatric care, the Left is still lost in delusions & an inability to perceive reality. Luckily, a great deal of progress has been made among the majority this last 20 years as reality came & punched them in the face. Sadly, a small few are just too far gone & seemingly there is no remedy. Even Obama has been unable to break through their illusions. Some believe shock therapy would be useful. A short stay with Hamas in Gaza might help should they survive.
9. b.o. is the worst enemy the U.S. and
jason white ,   afula, israel   (05.20.11)
Israel has ever faced. A fanatical jihadist in the Oval office! We will not return to the '67 borders. That liberated land was taken from us by the jordanians under the leadership of british officers in 1948. The survival of Israel is more important than b.o. winning another term,G-d forbid. We will not commit national suicide to give b.o. political points or to give land to murderous terrorists. We should annex the liberated territories and tell the illegal arab settlers to leave immediately or suffer a real nakba that no one will be around to celebrate. This is what bibi should tell the vicious anti Semite in the White House. And hopefully he will tell the "jewish" supporters of the jihadist that they will be as guilty as their parents and grandparents for allowing another six million to die. Where the hell does ynet get some of its staff from? Old M.E.S.S.S.(Middle East School of Stupidity)?
10. Put him in a rubber room and let him bounce off the walls
Al   (05.20.11)
11. No
Hunt S. Cross ,   England   (05.20.11)
Sever Plocker's argument is sophisticated and cannot be denied in principle. In practice, though, one is dealing with a PR driven President who knows that just about everyone will take what he has said the other way. The purpose of Obama's message is to be seen as taking a neutral path while preserving deniability. Time for him to listen to the home truths that he doesn't want to face up to.
12. Neither of the quotes are in Obama's speech!
michael redbourn ,   arad, israel   (05.20.11)
"Lasting peace will involve two states for two peoples: Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland for the Jewish people, and the state of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people". "The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps". Here is the full text. http://tinyurl.com/ob-me-2011-speech Can you find either of the above quotes? They're not there, unless you play a little! They are of course available in N. Tel Aviv left-wing coffee shops. P.S. Sorry about all the hyphens in the linked text; but it's because of so called writers who don't know what a colon or semicolon is :-( Sever Plocker should be ashamed for false quoting again!
13. #4 - he didn't say what Plocker is quoting!
michael redbourn ,   arad, israel   (05.20.11)
"Lasting peace will involve two states for two peoples: Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland for the Jewish people, and the state of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people". "The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps". Here is the full text. http://tinyurl.com/ob-me-2011-speech Can you find either of the above quotes? They're not there, unless you play a little! They are of course available in N. Tel Aviv left-wing coffee shops. Sever Plocker should be ashamed for false quoting again! P.S. Sorry about all the hyphens in the linked text; but it's because of so called writers who don't know what a colon or semicolon is :-(
14. Obedience is engraved int their mind
Tom ,   USA   (05.20.11)
It's disheartening to see that the overwhelming majority of the Jewish - (American and Israeli) - establishment reflexively jumps on the Obamista's bandwagon. Even though the complete ideological X ray of the Kenyan messiah is in public domain, still, out of sheer obsequious tradition, "Jewish elite" will parse, interpret, spin and twist words to make Obamao look good. Avraham Burg: get your Polish passport ready.
15. #12 Michael, can you read?
Dave from Brazil ,   Sao Paulo, Brazil   (05.20.11)
The quotes are right there in the link you provided! You should be ashamed of lying and accusing Sever Plocker of false things!
16. Who you crappin?
GHook93 ,   Chicago   (05.20.11)
This is why I believe liberalism is a mental disorder. First, the author believe that Democracy has taken from in the Arab world. In the end it will be Iranian style theocracies that emerge. All Jew, Western and American hating. Next the author think Obama was pro-Israel when he says split your capital, give back Golian Heights (that '67), go to defenseless border, caling the jews the agitators, occupiers and essentially in the wrong, putting zero demands on the Palestinians. And NO he didn't say anything about the so-called refugees! NOTHING! This was not a pro-Israel speech. What it will do is embolden Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad and PLO to demand more and more. This will embolden them to make a declaration at the Muslim controlled UN for a unilateral state in the '67 lines. Obama did what he seeked to do, isolate Israel and prepare the UN to smack Israel hard. Mark my words. If Obama gets a second term (god help us), then he will take the most antiIsrael agressive moves that any president has ever done!
17. You were wrong about Syria...
Ariel ,   São Paulo - Brazil   (05.20.11)
(remember your last article). and you are wrong now. Only this time if we come back to the 67 border will be in a very big big problem
18. #15 - please post the quotes
michael redbourn ,   Arad Israel   (05.20.11)
I did a search and couldn't find either of them. Please post "exact quotes" from Obama's speech. If I'm wrong then I will freely admit it. People like Plocker would give away Israel without blinking an eye as long as Tel Aviv remained. BTW - do you agree with the headline? "American president adopted essence of Israeli-Zionist narrative in his latest speech". Michael
19. #15 - check out Plocker!
Jane ,   London UK   (05.20.11)
The Greatest Murderers, of Modern Times are Jews - by Sever Plocker Do a search for the above. And if you search for his bio you'll find it on the Palestine: Information with Provenance (PIWP database).
20. You really believe this is about land?
BH ,   Iowa   (05.20.11)
Judea and Samaria combined are the size of the state of Delaware. That is less than chump change to the arabs. Even you know how vast are the lands the arabs control. What they want is the holy sites - Cave of the Patriarchs, the Kotel, Rachel's tomb - not because the sites holy to them, but because they are holy to us. They are fighting a war of conquest. Appeasement (as we have learned definitively) brings more aggression not less. No amount of wishful thinking can change that. Every day Israel withstands arab aggression is another day the West can live in peace.
21. #9 - jason white
Dino Domingo ,   Vancouver, Canada   (05.20.11)
you are an inbalanced individual with a shallow mind. I'm surprised they let you comment here as your ignorance and Jewish propaganda is as clear as day! thank the good Lord you dont live in a civilized country like mine...people like you are better off where extremism is normal and extreme distortion is read in your daily news! I am not an Obama supporter (any more) and believe he hasn't done a good job but calling him a fanatical jihadist and anti semite shows you are a fanatic yourself. I put you in the same shit category as a muslim extremist...you're all better off not being on this earth! do everyone a favor and jump off a bridge!
22. obama the zionist
alexx ,   new york usa   (05.20.11)
The whole article piece is a stretch...let's be clear about ONE thing: we who fought and WON the 1967 war against hoards of "piece loving Arabs" WILL NEVER AGAIN accept the 1967 borders ! It's a non-starter as it is the return of California to Mexico.. Instead we should move the begining of conversation to the Entire region's affirmation and recognition of the legitimacy of the State of Israel. Then we declare Jerusalem indivisible-it's the capital of the Sovereign Jewish Nation. Then we take off the table the idiotic Right of Return since One million jews were never reimbursed for being expulsed from 17 or 20 Arab nations. Then we talk about renunciation of violence against the civillian population. We can go on to the rest from there.
23. Sever Plocker
Benjamin ,   Denver, CO   (05.21.11)
Mr. Plocker, Which planet do you live in? Obama established the expected outcome, and as such undermined any upcoming negotiations. Furthermore, I suggest that you, sir, reread Obama's statements in which he called for a CONTIGUOUS PALESTINIAN STATE. Would you care to explain to me how this is to be achieved? Obama is a disgrace of a President who thinks and acts as if he were a sovereign monarch, and you sir are clueless.
24. Plocker..Fool or Knave?
RAYS ,   N.H. USA   (05.21.11)
To defend President Obama, a man who hates Israel, hates the USA and Western Civilization in general , the author of this article is beyond understanding. Like a huge number of American Jewish Democrats who would vote for Adolph Hitler if he were to come back and run as a "liberal" (and smile a bit at Jewish friends -of the left ,of course), such thinking boggles the mind.
25. #15
diverCT ,   germany   (05.21.11)
Yes it's there - I've found them in the text you provided. "- a lasting peace will involve two states for two peoples: Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland for the Jewish people, and the state of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people, each state enjoying self-determination, mutual recognition, and peace." But I rather find those phrases interesting: "...Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their full potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state." What does it mean a contiguous Palestinian State? - a devided Israel? And what are the borders of 67 - He certeinly doesn't mean the "after 6-day - war" lines; so it's the 48 Lines as baselines right?? No, I think once and for all they should recognize that the 6-day war was a defensive war and the Pals that now live in the Territories can stay and live under Israeli rule and all others may happily live ever after in the whole wide world somewhere else or in Jordan.
26. BHO a zioist or a magician
moron ,   galut   (05.22.11)
according to plocker president just speaks and nature responds--if only we had a community organizer decades ago to promote mob rule globally and jihad too
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