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Myth of indefensible borders
Avi Yesawich, Daniel Nisman
Published: 14.06.11, 23:58
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1. This article is such a joke, doesn't mention Jordan Valley
Yaniv ,   Israel   (06.15.11)
2. Radical atheist leftist journalists are the #1 enemies
David ,   Washington   (06.15.11)
of Israel!
3. Right.Just like Israel was able to "defend" the south ....
Tevye ,   Chelm   (06.15.11)
I guess by "to defend" the authors mean to prevent extinction. But of course they wouldnt mind barrages of rockets and rpg's etc... Just like what happened for years in the south. When exactly did this happen? Oh yeah, right I remember... when we pulled out of Gaza... I guess some ppl are just too stupid to learn from history....
4. Prime Minister and Defense Minister David Ben-Gurion
(06.15.11)
"We could, militarily ... have occupied all of the western land of Israel. And then what would happen? We would become one state. But that state would want to be democratic, there would be general elections - and we would be in the minority. Thus, when the question arose of the wholeness of the land without a Jewish state, or a Jewish state without the wholeness of the land, we chose a Jewish state without the wholeness of the land
5. FOOLS NEED TO LEARN THE HARD
LAWRENCE ,   Zefat (Safed)   (06.15.11)
WAY.
6. WAKE -UP CALL
LAWRENCE ,   Zefat (Safed)   (06.15.11)
One day ,israelis like Avi Yesawich and Daniel Nisman will receive a huge wake up call ,and it will not be pleasant.
7. Very naive article to trust arabs !!
Don Rosenberg ,   Palatine USA   (06.15.11)
After all the wars started by the arabs and their declared strategy to destroy Israel, it is amazing Israeli's would agree to anything from the arab racists. Israel should dictate the talks, if there are any, and not the loser arabs. It is obvious the arabs would not get what they want in direct talks. So Israel should annex Judea/ Samaria and keep building. I wonder if the US would let the nazi's and japanese dictate the treaty after WW2 of course not. Then why should there be any talks with the arabs?????????
8. wow awesome article...
Oren   (06.15.11)
nicely put...couldnt agree more...but i think some of those at the top in israeli govt/society use the indefensible line and really they just want and foremost believe the west bank is or should be a part of eretz yisrael which means if they are that adament about this i cant see them changing their minds so easily...i hope im wrong bc i couldnt agree more that keeping the wb is more harmful then pulling out and making peace...israel sadly is becoming more and more isolated, which from her birth has been to some degree, but the world is different as the article says its never been more crucial...israel can handle herself.. but the question is, and i have asked this in previous tb's, is if the palestinians get a state in the 67 borders with everything but refugees return to the pal state, Will they be satisfied? Will they continue, at some point, to fight for more? The answer i believe is they wont be, and inevitably they will fight and want more and all of the land of israel...I hope im wrong because when you really look at things objectively there are more similarities and commonalities between us than you think...
9. What's "Nakba" all about?
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (06.15.11)
It's pretty obvious by now that the Palestinians want more than just the "West Bank."
10. It has never been a question of
john robey ,   austin texaS   (06.15.11)
"defensibile" borders but of the attainment of the Zionist dream of expansion into the West Bank! Until that is confronted I don't see how peace will ever be attained.
11. Lies Deceit and Treason
yonatan silverman ,   tel aviv israel   (06.15.11)
The 1967 borders are Auschwitz borders. Any Israeli who claims these borders are defensible is advocating national suicide. You must erase this worthless trash from the website.
12. Just like Israel can defend Sderot without Gaza! Oh wait...
Etoile ,   Montreal, CAN   (06.15.11)
13. #10 john robey - PROVE it !
CK Tan ,   Singapore, Singapore   (06.15.11)
Show EXACT evidences to prop up your CLAIM that expanding into West Bank is the Zionist dream. BTW, the palis have a DREAM too - to totally ERADICATE and fully OCCUPY what is now modern Israel, and drive ALL Jews out of the region. But I am sure this is simply FINE by you.
14. Too Late for Two-States
Mark ben Josuf ,   USA   (06.15.11)
That opportunity is likely gone. People on the West bank are too intertwined and Settlement building will likely never stop. Relocating Palestinians peacefully is no more likely than relocating Jews peacefully. Jordan is not likely to accept millions of new refugees, either. Nor is Egypt. Time to rethink.
15. #2 David - why assume we're athiests?
Authors   (06.15.11)
Because we base our opinions on rationale and logic? we've fought wars here and seen the effects. I think we have a much better understanding than someone who resides in Washington. What threats do you face on daily basis there again?
16. Where in this article do we claim land for peace is viable?
From the Authors ,   Israel   (06.15.11)
Please avoid putting words in our mouths. We only advocate that Israel is completely defensible. Sorry for having faith in our military.
17. Myth of indefensible borders
Ram Kossowsky ,   United States   (06.15.11)
The authors are correct. The military equation has changed, dramatically. Terrorism from a recognized state, if it reappears is quite different than that of "freedom fighters". The alternative, an endless occupation, is a suicide. This, apparently, appeals to the zealots.
18. myth of in defencible borders
boris ,   nyc, us   (06.15.11)
is really a myth, just make" major sacrifices for peace" including return of 5mil of "pal refudees' and problem is gone, all borders will be defended by arabs themselves.
19. More extreme left propaganda
James ,   Herzeliya   (06.15.11)
20. 48-67 border is formula for war
Eric L ,   Chicago, USA   (06.15.11)
No honest military appraisal would agree to the fallacy of 67 borders as defensible...This is the kind of feedback that predicates Obama's Israel policies fiasco's...
21. To those hating on the author...
LebanonPride ,   Canada   (06.15.11)
He makes a lot of valid points. And the best you can do is insult him? What's wrong, can't argue against it maturely? Great article, great points made. He's totally right.
22. funny how 5th strongest army afraid of hamas and pa
abdalla ,   plantation   (06.15.11)
23. Rockets shoot further on hills idiot.
Gav ,   USA   (06.15.11)
Makes a big difference to what percentage of Israel is under crude rocket fire if the Golan and Sumaria is given up.
24. This is a truly sick joke. Absolutely contemptible.
Chaim ,   Israel   (06.15.11)
Judea and Samaria legally belong to Israel. This fact has been acknowledged by countless international law experts including, Eugene Rostow, author of U.N. Resolution 242. Moreover, Yesawich and Nisman's argument that Israel is viable with a 9 mile (15 minute tank ride) waist is a truly sick joke. They are trying to defend the indefensible. It took us 2,000 years, filled with unimaginable suffering, for us to bring Israel back to life and these clowns want to saddle us with a 9 mile waist!!! They want to saddle us with enemy rockets that can hit every single Israeli city and town at will. Yesawich and Nisman are absolutely contemptible.
25. #10 John Robey You Forget One Thing
Dallas ,   Canada   (06.15.11)
Giving up land won't bring peace. Look at the lesson of Gaza, read the PA/Hamas charters, note that 75% of Palis consider a state to be only one step towards taking all of Israel (they consider Haifa, Yafo, Nazareth to be theirs). Look at the incitement education of their children. Think Gaza x20! Besides, W Bank has never been under anyone's control since the Turks, but they lost WW1. Israel must just annex it - that will be the only real solution. Jordan is "Palestine".
26. A Jewish state is not needed to defend Judaism
Stella Goldschlag ,   Berlin, Germany   (06.15.11)
The authors of this report are almost correct. Judaism did perfectly fine before 1948, when we didnt have a state. I miss those times, when we held the moral highground
27. #8 Oren - This will be a Train Wreck
Dallas ,   Canada   (06.15.11)
1) W Bank under the PA would be a true apartheid state - completely islamist and terrorist. 2) The Arabs in the W Bank have NO INTENTION of allowing the "refugees" to live there. They want to inundate the remaining sliver of what's left of Israel with them. 3) Think about what "Nakba Day" is - it's got NOTHING to do with the W Bank and EVERYTHING to do with the existence of Israel. I could go on and on why this is a disaster in the making but I will leave it up to you to perhaps learn about these Arabs who want it all. Read, open your eyes.
28. I thought it was written by King Abdullah
Israeli 2   (06.15.11)
or the ghost of Sadam Hussein....or even Nasssssrallllllah. Boy, this article makes me churn. I have certainly no apetite for such crab and lobster mentality.
29. These people are delusional, but
Lobo ,   USA   (06.15.11)
I'm glad that every day, more Israelis are realizing that people like the authors are WRONG and will lead to Israel's DEMISE.
30. Finally, a YNET article that actually makes some sense
stianpalestinian ,   hong kong   (06.15.11)
YNET is always very right-wing and conservative, so this article is a breath of fresh air.
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