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Myth of indefensible borders
Avi Yesawich, Daniel Nisman
Published: 14.06.11, 23:58
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61. #34 West Bank isn't Israel Lebensraum either
observer ,   Egypt   (06.15.11)
62. Why the 1967 Borders Are A High Risk
Moritz ,   New York   (06.15.11)
Here are the details: IN BRIEF http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703421204576329373006279638.html?mod=googlenews_wsj IN DETAIL http://www.defensibleborders.org/ This is not about liking or not the current government (I personally don't like it), it's something any government past, present and future government of Israel knows.
63. Article: Indefensible Borders
nadya ,   Garden Grove, CA.,US   (06.15.11)
Excellent article, much food for thought. What I find frustrating in reading so many of the responses is the negativity against anyone who disagrees with the Prime Minister and his government's attitudes and policies. Quick to call anyone who disagrees an anti-semite or self-hating Jew.
64. 4 kilometer is very lil to defence, I just don't get
ghostq   (06.15.11)
this writer, no rocket defence system is that asdvense to shoot back rockets from 4 kilometers.
65. to #61 than how do you explain the hebrew
ghostq   (06.15.11)
names of places in the WB, alot of sites there that ends with al Jahud, one of them even near the dead sea.
66. #14 Mark bJ says the palis are LYING
CK Tan ,   Singapore, Singapore   (06.15.11)
Poor Mark is MOANING that the 2-state solution is GONE. Then I guess the palis must be LYING when they say that they will GAIN their own separate state by REJECTING peace talks, DEMANDING directly from the UNGA, and THREATENING a new intifada if their demand is NOT met.
67. He's right.
James Hovland   (06.15.11)
This is a new era, and the Palestinians understand that. In fact they are about three years ahead of Israel on this. Israel has always enjoyed a distinct advantage in both the physical war and information war. What happens when the Palestinians withdraw from the physical war though? What's left for the world to judge the situation by? Occupation, internationally condemned settlements, and what most of the world has come to view as apartheid. Be aware. The world is watching.
68. poor stella
mortyp ,   israel   (06.15.11)
stella..are you for real..sitting there in BERLIN...and you miss the moral highground...is this some sick joke...you are right on target...judiasm was in the pink, especially in your home town during the forties...you are sad.
69. 67 borders are 1949 armistice lines
Jerome ,   NZ   (06.15.11)
The arabs occupied Jerusalem and the west bank for only 19 years. It was never theirs to start with and Jewish presence was until then uninterupted. Interesting how dentists know history better than professional journalists. Did I say amateurs?
70. This two authors are like the guy to the left in
Ynet becoming ,   Haaretz   (06.15.11)
"Troopers: Lost In Translation" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pucr_VgtI8I
71. Stella: high ground == ash cloud over Aushwitz
Ilan ,   Ariel   (06.15.11)
72. Would writers take a plane from Ben Gurion
Trumpeldor   (06.15.11)
whereas the "border" iss less than 5 milles from the runways ?? what would prevent a terrorist to shoot a sam7 portable missile ????????????
73. The Gevalt chicken
Michael ,   California, USA   (06.15.11)
I read on this board constantly right wingers' comments in which they threaten the whole world with destruction, atom bombs and their g who is protecting Israel. But now I read that the occupied territories are a must for any military protection of Israel. It's a gevalt cry no matter which way you look. Either you pretend to be very strong under weapons of mass destruction, right wingers, or you are weakly chicken.
74. Things were better for Jews before 1948?
Josh ,   San Diego USA   (06.15.11)
Stella Goldschlag your fromBerlin, Germany, do you honestly think it was better for Jews before 1948, say 1933-1945. Sure Jews held the moral high ground. 6 million died for that. Id rather be alive
75. IDF combat reservists wow so impressive but not strategists
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liars !
76. 2 losers who write a stupid article
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77. #2 David...so right you are...they are doing
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (06.15.11)
the devils work...!
78. Avi Yesawich, training to receive a degree
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (06.15.11)
or diploma in Conflict Resolution, formerly had an article published in Ynet about how Israel should negotiate with Hamas. Now he said that it's possible that Hamas wanted our destruction as a state but that we could ignore them only at our peril. In fact, of course, the Hamas charter makes it explicit that Hamas wants to obliterate the "Zionist state of Israel". Mr. Yesawich, with the complicity of Ynet, really believes, from the dreamland of Conflict Resolution, that anything is possible, even with an enemy whose main purpose is to dispose of us. I think "conflict resolution" has gone to this young man's head. At any rate, this current offering is just as useless as his former one.
79. The Green Line
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (06.15.11)
In 1967, to end the 1967 War, the Jordanian general sat down with Moshe Dayan and mapped out where each of their armies stood. They divided these armies with a green line. The green line on the map was a ceasefire line, not a border, was never meant to be. In fact, the penpoint of the pen the two military men used was quite thick and, in reality, the supposed "line" covered several kilometers on the ground.
80. With respect to Stella Goldschlag
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (06.15.11)
and the "moral highgound". Many of you are upset by what she wrote. I took it as satire. Yes, she misses the "moral highground" as we were pushed into the incinerators. Of course, Stella is writing tongue in cheek although her humour is somewhat rarified. Really, how could a Jew, especially a Jew from Germany, have sentiment for such "golden days" as when the few of us escaped from the camps, searching for our homes and loved ones, only to find that they were lost, dead, sick, injured, mentally unbalanced, and our homes taken over by our good neighbours and, when we strove to reacquire them, being beaten (again), maimed and sometimes just plain murdered. No, Stella couldn't have rhapsodized for those long lost years when Jews held the "moral highground". C'mon Stella, tell the rest of these Talkbackers who don't get it that you were satirizing, that you were tongue-in-cheek, that you really don't reside in Berlin, that you're an Israeli patriot.
81. #62 Moritz: The references you posted
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (06.15.11)
as to why we need to remain in Yehuda and Shomrun, from a logical and non-sentimental military viewpoint, were really quite excellent and I beseech all posters to read them. And thanks for your contribution.
82. Stella, u fruit, the most moral, honorable cause is survival
Yaniv ,   Israel   (06.15.11)
83. #44 AUTHORS ,YOU ARE ENTITLED
LAWRENCE ,   Zefat (Safed)   (06.15.11)
To your opinion ,but your opinion is dangerous and it sucks.
84. 66 - Wrong CK
Mark ben Josuf ,   USA   (06.15.11)
They are just as deluded as those who think they can move millions of Palestinians out of their homes. The Palestinians and the Settlers are not going to cooperate anyway you slice it. Time to rethink for both sides. Ethnic cleansing of neither side will work. Populations on both sides are growing.
85. #59, Stella. Read "The Pity of It All", Amos Elon.
tanya ,   tel aviv israel   (06.15.11)
Highly recommended book about German Jews.
86. The Fallatia of this article. They take the
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opinion of some leftists writers and reservists as their creed. They make it sound as if these guys were experts only because they served in the IDF. mmThe oipinion of Baskin Robin...GIVE ME A BREAKE..please One thing is to have served in the IDF the other to be an strategist expert the two things not necesseraly go together. Israel withdraw from Gaza, what was the result? The authors onpurpose ignore this. An invasion from an Arab country without the Jordan Valley is suicide. The difference of a 5 minutes advice in a misile atack makes a big difference. Today is not 1967 much has advance in technology...on bothe sides . These are not the arab armies of 1948 or 1967 even though Israel is more sofisticated. Look at Gaza and at South Lebanon with the spary of missiles. Ad to this the West Bank and also the Golan. I have notice that YNET publishes all this leftist crap over and over, also articles against the PM, would't this be incitement in a way? You guys could be more patriotic instead of so much"democratic".
87. to # 49, abdalla
Joseph.E ,   Givatayim/Israel   (06.15.11)
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/144937 Published: 06/14/11, 10:48 PM / Last Update: 06/15/11, 1:15 AM Eli Security Extinguishes Arab Media Arson Libel by Gavriel Queenann Same as the syrians soldiers plant weapons over dead bodies to show they armed , so these arabs and lefties tried to fabricate evidence , In the context of the Israel-Arab conflict , The responsible Arabs fabricate evidence and myth to feed their mohamedan false beliefs .
88. it's not a myth that arabs & lefties refuse to recognize
Joseph.E ,   Givatayim/Israel   (06.15.11)
the Democratic State of Israel as the Jewish State . Righteousness and heart wisdom needed for peace , prosperity and security are absent in foreign affairs , no wonder many international organisations , international medias and the UNGA are corrupt .
89. Prevention is better than attracting more terrorism
Hey   (06.15.11)
Gaza and Lebanon are examples of what happens when you give land away, rockets and more terrorism. West Bank will not be any different.
90. Partition Imminent
Lynx ,   Palestine   (06.15.11)
International Law, the winds of change in the region, and the dwindling influence of the US means Israel has no choice but to return the West Bank to its rightful owners: Arab Palestinians. The settlers are again asked to obey Palestinian Law and accept Palestinian citizenship, or face the wrath of the Palestinian people in September!
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