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Rabbi: Ritual slaughter ban aimed at Muslims
Aviel Magnezi
Published: 30.06.11, 14:04
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1. Solidarity
Dan ,   Australia   (06.30.11)
It's time Muslims and Jews come together and accept there similarities. This is inevitable as the driving force of Atheism is becoming stronger year by year. Peace has to be settled between Judaism and Islam , and hopefully the realisations of the similarities will be a step-forwards in bringing the three major religions ; Judaism; Islam; & Christianity in order to dismiss Atheism and their hypocritical ways. In Australia, many "Animal Right groups" are appealing to the government to BAN Halal and Kosher food --- hopefully the Australian government will reject such suggestions.
2. At last...
Takan ,   Eilat Israel   (06.30.11)
Europe is finding ways to make itself less attractive to muslims. This is only the beginning of a long serie of restictive laws that will make a muslim think twice before emigrating to Europe. The ban on the burka is another example. European Jews should try their best to adapt and fit in this new direction Europe is taking to cleanse itself of the Islam cancer. This is not the right time for European Jews to be associated with European Muslims. My advice to European Jews is to adapt as best as possible or move to Israel, where a Jew can be a Jew.
3. at last
vcub ,   Israel   (06.30.11)
Takan is ignorant. thankfullly most israelis aren't so idiotic.
4. It is in all Jews interest to gladly accept this ban
Marco ,   Spain   (06.30.11)
It is intended mainly against Muslims, and the more Muslims are restricted in any country in Europe the better it is for Jews. Kosher meat slaughtered according to Jewish tradition can be brought in from Germany or Belgium, there maybe a couple of hours truck driving time from Amsterdam to the border or have it flown in from Israel. Even if it costs slightly more it is worth it to hurt and put in their place aggressive and violent Muslims.
5. Why is the Muslim man in pic wearing a female night gown?...
Marco ,   Spain   (06.30.11)
and the female walking on the sidewalk next to him has on male pajamas, in the middle of the day in front of a shop? Dutch lawmakers should ban such transvestites.
6. Halal and kosher
Peter ,   Mexico City, Mexico   (06.30.11)
Well, an alternative would be to move to a country where it's allowed, for example your own, as it's not mandatory to live in Europe.
7. racist language
Bernardo Kucinski ,   Brazil   (06.30.11)
I´m surprised by the racist views of so many readers; also by the fact that Ynet is publishing those views, contrary to the self-proclaimed policy not to publish comments "containing incitement, slander, racist slurs ...etc"
8. #2 Only a question of time
sohaib ,   Scotland   (06.30.11)
Whether you like it or not it will only be matter of time before Muslims in Europe will return to their home lands and forefathers land (Palestine included) so you better think going back where you came from, probably Europe like most of you Jews came from there any ways, so once there you can adapt to the ways of the European and eat non kosher you will be praised for your adaptability you idiot.
9. #1 Amen to that brother
aiman ,   jersey   (06.30.11)
the faster the better
10. #3...ignorant?
Takan ,   Eilat Israel   (06.30.11)
I would gladly agree with you if you elaborated a bit and explained what is ignorant about what I wrote. Fact is Europeans are trying to find ways to minimize muslim immigration, as Islam is invading Europe at fast pace. Don't you agree with this? Do you think European Jews should band with Muslims against the Europeans? I think this would be detrimental to European Jews. Don't forget European politics are devoid of any religious considerations and freedom of religion is limited to the laws of the country. Can a Rastafari smoke his holy weed in Israel? no. Is this an attack on freedom of religion? If you want a Muslim way of life, go live in one of the many muslim countries. If you want a Jewish way of life, go live in Israel, the only Jewish nation. In Europe, be a European. The question here is not wether this law is right and if the killing of the animals is cruel or not. The question is what are you gonna do about it. This is the law now and one can only abide and adapt, or leave.
11. re: Marco
A ,   Florida, USA   (06.30.11)
Wow, Marco, did you really miss the point that the author fears Kosher meat will be scarce throughout Europe and they won't be able to 'fly' it in from Germany? Whether or not it is more expensive is irrelevant to the author. I am continually shocked by the lengths bigoted, close-minded people will go to in their own suffering just to make sure others suffer along with them. Also, you should know that it is perfectly acceptable for Muslims to eat Kosher meat- in fact, if all other animals are stunned before slaughter, Kosher meat is closert to zabeeha halal meat and most Muslims would just switch to using that rather than the stunned meat. As long as the Jews are getting Kosher meat in the country, Muslims will be able to easily live according to their dietary laws. Of course, if the Jews cooperated and accepted the ban on all kinds of Kosher meat and changed their religious views entirely, maybe the Muslims will suffer then. I am sure you will urge all Jews to give up Jewish dietary laws next.
12. Takan no 2
JUDAH THE LION   (06.30.11)
You are 100% right.
13. sohaib from Scotland no 8
JUDAH THE LION   (06.30.11)
Sohaib,there was no such place called Palestine.Palestiune was invented by The Roman Empire to punish the Jews. Israel was promsed and given to the JEWISH NATION by the ALMIGHTY,even your Quran says so.Jews are returning to their land after 2000 years in exile.One day will come that all Muslims will be kicked out of Europe because of your violence,and your crime,and the EUROPEAN have started to wake up. They knows what will happen in 25/50 years time.You will breed like rats and you will be majority and you will take over Europe this time without using your swords,but with votes.
14. This is not a Jewish issue
Sidney ,   USA   (06.30.11)
It is an issue for the orthodox who put form over substance. Most Jews support the humane treatment of animals. We do not accept the word of some rabbi that an obviously inhumane action is humane. Why is it that the orthodox put a wall around Torah, e.g. the rule about eating milk with meat, but refuse to apply the same logic to the humane treatment of animals? Sadly, for most Jews orthodox Judaism is a fossil unrelated to their lives.
15. Muslims shouldn't be affected.
Dan ,   Australia   (06.30.11)
Muslims and Jews have been under scrutiny regarding this issue in Australia; however, many Halal butchers here do indeed stun the animals. And the Islamic Council of Australia has said that stunning of animals is allowed in Islam, so therefore this law shouldn't harm the practices of Muslims. However, as a Muslims, this law shouldn't be passed as it is filled by malignant propaganda and driven by bigots; it has no purpose but to affect the Muslims and Jews.
16. #1, #2, #4, #11
LebanonPride ,   Canada   (06.30.11)
#1: I agree with you on that, all 3 religions can co-exist, and majority of each of the religions want this as well. Unfortunately, this is as likely to happen as a pig flying... #2 What is this "Islam cancer" you speak of? Way to be ignorant... #4 lol and you say Muslims are full of hate? You would give up kosher food - a part of your religion - just to get back at the Muslims? Have fun with that, because if by any chance they all move to other countries, you'll still be without kosher foods, idiot... #11 very true. My family often makes sure we eat is either Halal or Kosher. And this ban is bad news for both Muslims and Jews. If it spreads, it'll just get worse.
17. #Judah the Lion no.18
Dan ,   Australia   (06.30.11)
If people were kicked out of Europe according to their religion/race, and because a small, but vocal, minority of that religion/race decided to go on a destructive path, such as commit crimes and incite violence, than I can say that Europe would be an arid centre on this world, where NO ONE lives. Have you not seen the DESTRUCTION caused by a minority of teens protesting in the U.K not long ago? Should the U.K kick ALL teens out of their country because of that? How about the hockey fans in Vancouver where they rioted because their team LOST. Should Canada kick ALL hockey fans out of their country because of that? My point is that just because a minority; who always seem to be illiterate and uneducated; cause anrachy and havoc, it does not mean they represent the majority, who just want to co-exist with the rest in peace and prosperity. Is this fact too hard to accept?
18. are you lebanese or canadian
canada ,   canada   (06.30.11)
This is the problem with muslim immigration, you don't become part of the nation. Either you are lebanese or canadian. you cant have it both ways.
19. Its a plot by the chickens and cows.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (06.30.11)
20. Rabbi: Ritual slaughter ban aimed at Muslims
Pabs ,   LA USA   (06.30.11)
This has nothing to do with an antiquated religious practice. Being Jewish and a very strong proponent of animal rights , I totally agree with this decision to ban Kosher slaughter, now if the Jewish religion would adopt a " Humane " way of killing animals that will be the right thing to do, as oppose to continuing with a primitive and idiotic practice
21. What a differnce a week makes
IRAN#1   (06.30.11)
Last week it was all love na dpraise for Geert Wilders. and now he is the bad bad wolf, HAHAH!!!! Gotta love the irony :)
22. #8 Jews were in Israel 2000 years before Muhamad
afried ,   USA   (06.30.11)
In case you care about history as opposed to inventing facts Jews where in Israel 2000 years before Muhamad was born. There were Greeks here who at the time where called Palastines but they are NOT arabs.
23. Sheesh! And people think its Muslims that hate Jews!
Adam Apple ,   UK   (06.30.11)
24. halal meat is stunned
griff   (07.01.11)
most of the internationally traded halal meat from major exporting countries is stunned before slaughter. Whoever is writing all these articles is seriously misinformed. Stunning is required by law in most countries and Muslims accepted this alteration to their religious practices many years ago. The idea that Jews and Muslims have a common interest here is false.
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