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Lebanon 'ready to defend maritime borders'
Roee Nahmias
Published: 11.07.11, 23:41
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31. Has anyone visited the Haaretz site?
William ,   Israel   (07.12.11)
They're presenting the US opinion as if it's globally accepted law. Is this the claim that Leftists and anarchists give when they riot around the world against the US? Not surprisingly, there are posters at Haaretz still pushing the debunked myth of "Jews are Kazars" theory.
32. To: William at No. 31
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.12.11)
I wouldn't worry too much. Israel's maritime boundaries will be what Israel says they are. Besides, the accepted law of exploration and utilization of mineral and other resources of the sea is something along the lines of "he who finds it, gets to keep it." It's the same as the law of salvage -- if you find the sunken Spanish galleon carrying a fortune in gold coins, no matter in whose territorial waters the wreck was found, it's yours to keep. The funny part about all this? You cannot make a telephone call from one end of the pool to the other in Lebanon. And they think they have the ability to process and refine natural gas and petroleum? And as long as the Lebanese are in bed with a universally acknowledged terrorist organization (Hezbollah) -- don't count on any serious energy and exploration firms to help them; it violates the laws of far too many countries; all of which happen to be the ones with the requisite expertise.
33. Solomon, solomon, solomon...
LebanonPride ,   Canada   (07.12.11)
Come on, we've been through this before lol. How is #9 (#2) wrong? I think they are completely right.
34. Hasbara Alert!
LebanonPride ,   Canada   (07.12.11)
Point out where Lebanon ever threatens violence against Israel. What do you think available and legal methods means? Try again.
35. Islam believes the whole world belongs to them
Linda Rivera ,   New York, USA   (07.12.11)
including Israel and all of Israel's oil. Anti American, anti Israel, pro-Islam U.S. leaders have taken the side of Hizbullah terrorist-controlled Lebanon in seeking to STEAL Israel's oil.
36. #35: HaHaHa!!
LebanonPride ,   Canada   (07.12.11)
That's hilarious! And very new to me. I didn't know the World was ours. That's pretty cool. But um, it's not Israel's oil. It's Lebanons. See, now it's even more funny. You claim Islam preaches the World is ours, when every Zionist claims Palestine is theirs. Parts of Jordan is theirs. Parts of Egypt is theirs. Parts of Lebanon is theirs. The water in Gaza is theirs. The oil in Lebanon is theirs.
37. #34; LebP, FIRST THE FACTS
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (07.12.11)
Pointing out what might happen is only common sense. Lebanon cannot even defend itself against Hezbollah. The last war was started by Nasrallsh and Hezbollah, remember. Nasrallah even apologized for that "Mistake". Since the Lebanese government made Hezbollah part of the government in order to get around UN Resolution 1701. They did that because 1701 called for the disarmament of all terrorist groups and the Lebanon. Your Government wasn't strong enough to win a civil war with Hezbo. So avoid a losing civil war they made a terrorist group part of their government. That's not Hasbara, the way you mean it. You use the term as Israel makes up lies to justify their actions. Israel has never have done that. But Lebanon has, type into your address bar "photo fraud in Lebanon", then watch the video. Now who is lying LebanonPride? Are you still full of Pride. or shame? CASE CLOSED
38. #36 - there is no water in Gaza...
William ,   Israel   (07.12.11)
except what Israel delivers to Gazans, and hopefully that will stop soon. If the coast of Haifa belongs to Lebanon, perhaps they'd like to come and get it. That's where the oil field is. Good luck with that claim. Part of Jordan is Israeli? Per British Mandate records - yeah. Infact, it was given to future Israel before it was given to the Hashemites who were transplanted from Saudi Arabia. Who did Palestine belong to? Well, according to Turkish Land records, not really anyone. 95% was State land....that means those little Arabs that showed up in the 1930s and built a hut on open land were illegal squatters. You can't even get away with that in Canada. Regardless of your world view, after 63 years, Israel is strong, here to stay, and now swimming in oil wealth. But boy oh boy...Lebanon has the world's record for largest hummous ever made...I'm jealous!
39. Sarah B
LebanonPride ,   Canada   (07.12.11)
"Israel's maritime boundaries will be what Israel says they are." lol okay, you can think that. But just because Israel says something, doesn't mean it's true. And Hezbollah is not "universally" known as a terrorist organization. Seven (as in 7) countries view them as terrorists. That is not even close to universally. You're hate and ignorance blocks out your common sense? If this oil was in waters occupied by Israel, and Palestinians claimed it, you would say Israel owns the oil.
40. #37: Um... You just contradicted yourself.
LebanonPride ,   Canada   (07.12.11)
Okay. So Lebanon can't even handle Hezbollah yet they can defend themselves against Israel through war. Is that not what you just said? So, in other words, Hezbollah is stronger than Israel. Because Lebanon couldn't defend itself from Hezbollah in civil war, yet they can defend themselves from Israel by war. And also according to you, it's common sense this "fact". You're assuming Lebanon will go to war when it isn't even meantioned by them. There is more than just war and violence to solve issues, you know?
41. Also, Mark...
LebanonPride ,   Canada   (07.12.11)
You didn't answer my question or even respond to post #34, just brought up an irrelevent civil war. Congrats.
42. LebPride - you have to admit the field is inside Israel
William ,   Israel   (07.12.11)
Using any map, even the one drawn in crayon and recently presented to the UN by Lebanon, when compared to Nobel Energy's exploration map, you cannot deny that a major portion of that field is indeed Israeli. Now, if by some chance a portion of it falls inside Lebanese waters, and that's only if Lebanon passes a law allowing exploration of their waters, the only portion of the revenue they will receive is the % of the field inside their waters. From the Lebanese standpoint, which undermines their position, even if 4% of the field is in Lebanese waters, they demand 50% of the field and revenues. That will never, ever happen. But in addition to the tiny % Lebanon would receive in revenue, they'd also have to pay that % of expenses and exploration capital Israel paid out initially to make the find. That's basic policy on these matters and upheld in WTO trade courts. But the onus of proof is on Lebanon, not Israel, as the maps clearly show majority of field is down near Haifa.
43. #39 - but those 7 are powerful countries
William ,   Israel   (07.12.11)
So what if Hizbullah is seen as heroes in Qatar and Paraguay. In the US and EU, they are seen as terrorists and rightly so.
44. lebanonlebanonlebanon
solomon ,   bklyn   (07.12.11)
You close your ears to the truth. So this post is not for you but for all others: 1. #9, #2: they are referring to the "newly claimed Lebanon territory" as Lebanese. It is not, as agreed by the Lebanese government in previous agreements between Lebanon and Cyprus, and Cyprus and Israel. 2. Hezbollah controls Lebanon and has threatened Israel's destruction constantly. They are able to do this with Syria and Iran's help. They provoked a border clash by firing on Israeli soldiers who were in Israeli territory. "available and legal methods" means whatever they want to do they will call 'legal'. If the UN agrees with Israel, Lebanon/Hezbollah will attack. 3. Riots in many countries with Muslim immigrants over cartoons. Attacks by Muslims on non-muslims (including Christians). Muslim Governments prejudice against Jews and Christians. Al Qaeda. Taliban. Islam does believe the world is theirs, even countries they have not set foot in yet. Israel claims a very small part of the world (no part of Egypt- only 2 countries had ever recognized Sinai as Egyptian), parts that they had occupied for a few thousand years. (The gas they are speaking of now is not in Lebanon. If it is, prove it,) Don't keep your eyes closed for so long, and so tightly. You might hurt yourself.
45. #40 - when you add human shields to the equation...
William ,   Israel   (07.13.11)
yeah, I guess Hizbullah would be at a greater advantage. Hiding behind women and children, and placing all of their weapons in civilian areas and apartment complexes....one could argue they are "stronger" than Israel but also they are war criminals.
46. To: No. 39
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.13.11)
Terrorist organizations and non-existent "countries" cannot claim territorial waters and cannot claim sovereign land. So when I tell you that nothing belongs to the ersatz "Palestinians," that's because it happens to be the case. The two large natural gas fields are well within Israeli territorial waters, and it was Israel, with assistance from several American exploration companies, who discovered both fields. That's the basis for ownership in admiralty law. Too bad Lebanon is a backward, terrorist-driven and quarrelsome nation .... otherwise you can make discoveries, too. But you cannot and you did not. Too bad for you.
47. #40; LebP, RESPONSE
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (07.13.11)
You talked of negotiations, I said mentioning the possibility of war wasn't out of line. As you claimed. Then you misquote me and state: "yet they can defend themselves against Israel through war." When was that? in the last war, Israel destroyed 90% of Hezbollah long range missiles in the first 34 minutes of the war. Lebanon lost over 1,400 fighters and civilians, Israel less than 140. A 10 to 1 ratio in favor of Israel. Hezbollah lost all its military positions south of the Litani river after the war was over. Property damage: Israel had $12 million dollars; Lebanon $1.2 Billion dollars. A 100 to 1 ratio in Israel's favor. So by any military standard Lebanon lost the war, badly, and the IDF only committed less than 20% of its military. Add to that Lebanon immediately went to the UN to beg them to stop Israel, photo shopped pictures that lied about the damage the IDF was doing to trick the UN into making a quicker decision...not what a country does if they are truly winning a war...and this case is closed. I "assume" nothing about Lebanon. In fact I think if there was a war it would be Hezbollah that would instigate it, without the approval of Michel Suleiman and his government. Who I think does not want war, but wants this to play out in some International court. But Hezbollah is desperate for the oil and gas money to buy weapons. So don't put words in my mouth, I can express my thoughts without you bias interpretation of what I mean. For the record, I hope there is not a war, I don't believe it would benefit Israel or the people of Lebanon. But Hezbollah doesn't care about the people of Lebanon. Otherwise they wouldn't cynically use them as "human shields", just to gain a PR advantage. Hezbollah already started one war against the wishes of the Lebanese government, what makes you think they won't do it again.
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