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Der Spiegel probes link between Israel, Norway killer
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Published: 01.08.11, 11:03
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1. Surprised? The left-wing fascists never dissapoint!
tom ,   tel aviv   (08.01.11)
2. First they will take Islam, then will take us.
John ,   Europe   (08.01.11)
When they came for gays, I was silent - I didn't have anything to do with gays. Even more, I didn't like them. When they came for commies, I was silent - I was not a commie and I didn't even like them. When they came for blue eyed people, I was silent - I wasn't blue eyed. When they came for me, there was nobody left to cry out. And since I was Jewish, nobody liked me anyway. Kissing with far right is like hugging Amalek - this thing backfire and stabs us in the back.
3. Wrong direction
James ,   Australia   (08.01.11)
Maybe they should probe the Norwegian labor party's support for the PLO, and the youth wing for hosting al-Fatah's youth brigades on the Utoya Island.
4. Why Geert
Shemaya ,   Dundee, Scotland   (08.01.11)
I thought Der Spiegel was a respectable newspaper, but these kind of connections are absurd. If a lunatic puts something in his manifesto, like Geert Wilders, is Geert Wilders then all of a sudden a sympathizer of violence? If a Jack Teitel kills or attempts to kill Palestinians, gays and lesbians and messianic Jews, are therefore all Jewish orthodox Israelis such killers? Obviously not. The generalizations and logic fallacies abound in Der Spiegel. It is in a sense a false incitement of hate against Likud, Israel, Geert Wilders and such. To reiterate Geert Wilders is against Islam because its political ideological intolerance is incompatible with Dutch tolerance. While proclaiming this message, he never called for violence. Thus Der Spiegel has put out a shameful publication. A news outlet is there provide news, not draw on fallacies and incite hatred against the innocent. Geert is innocent until proven guilty, not vv.
5. I'll pick the European Right over Left any day of the week
Tahl   (08.01.11)
Who cares if the Eurpean Right has got some questionable roots. This poses no danger to us anymore. And who cares that they are on our side not because they love us, but because we have a common enemy. At least they help us, who cares for which reasons. Which is a lot more than we can say about the European Left - whose main contributions to Israel are hate-campaigns and BDS. We already do not have too many friends as it is, so the last thing we can afford is to be so picky. Such is the world of real politics and vested interests.
6. Der Spiegel article
Brad   (08.01.11)
describes links between Israel's right wing politicians and Europes far right wing political parties. It does not warn about links between Israel and Breivik. This is another Ynet article designed to spread misunderstanding. What is Ynet's business ? Sometimes I think its business is to feed the paranoia and sense of persecution of ordinary Israelis. Whatever it is , it is not good for people who want to understand the world better
7. Ynet headline is false
(08.01.11)
Did Ynet read the Der Spiegel article? I know some of you guys can barely speak English but your headline is totally false. Der Spiegel did no such thing. Anyone who reads der Spiegel article on their English website can see that.
8. #2 Biased forecast
Raphael ,   Netanya   (08.01.11)
The far extreme right and neo nazis (often former leftists, like Garaudy, Horst Mahler, Carlos the jackal) are fanatical Hezb and Hamas supporters. Philosemite pro zionist right wingers are isolated individuals, even if broadly publicized by leftist propaganda.
9. this man is a NAZI!!!! and nazis killed jews that's the
Israeli ,   Israel   (08.01.11)
only connection!!!
10. First of all, Ayoob Kara is an Arab minister in government
Paul ,   lsrael   (08.01.11)
(who says that Israel is an apartheid state???? arab in the government??? yup! ). Second, these meetings he did on his own without permision from the government. Foreign Minister also berated him for those meetings!!! Third, Muslims (and Arabs in Israel specifically) associate with the Nazis. Look for information about Haj Amin al Husseini.... and start to connect the dots!
11. "Der Spiegel" is dedicated to the support
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (08.01.11)
of Israels enemies...it ALWAYS was !
12. We must fight the forces of EVIL...!!!
Ash ,   Army of darkness   (08.01.11)
13. well, they forgot about the link between nazis and islam
lauren ,   UK   (08.01.11)
Haj Amin Al- Huseini... the nazi mufti and the muslim devvision of Hitler. are the germans afraid of somthing??? search for yourself. when you can't count on the news to tell you the real news. just search for yourself!!!
14. Reply # 1The right wing fascists at it again
Haim ,   TA   (08.01.11)
nationalism mixed with religious fundamentalism remains the primary source of bigotry, hatred and racism in the modern era.
15. The leftists in Europe are the enemies of the Jews
Sami ,   New York, USA   (08.01.11)
The leftists in Europe are the enemies of the Jews.
16. One thing that does bother me ...
NilsG ,   Helsingborg, Sweden   (08.01.11)
... (amongst others) is how the European right is talked about as being ONE. It is not. There is no Right Wing Indivisible. There is a crop of nationalistically leaning, almost always anti-islamic parties (FN in France, FPÖ in Austria, SD in Sweden ...) but they are only vaguely linked to each other - sometimes they are indeed opposed to each other. Some of these have indeed a history of being previously neo-nazis but hiding this as best as they can, as it appears tactically the right thing. Anybody is entitled to seek friends wherever they may appear, particularly if being beleaguered and in dire straits ... but some of these parties ...
17. Birds of a feather flock together...
(08.01.11)
18. #4 CALM DOWN
(08.01.11)
perhaps you should read the Der Spiegel article. Ynet has misrepresented it.
19. Geert Wilders is a Classic Liberal
Rod ,   Fargo N.Dakota   (08.01.11)
Geert Wilders is he farthest thing from a Nazi you can find.The Ultra Right believes a woman's place is in the house cooking and having many babies Geert Wilders believes in full womans liberation.Not all but vsome ultra Rightists believe in anti gay ideology again Wilders is against it.Wilders doesn't say all Muslims must leave the Netherlands juust ones who refuse to integrate to a large extent.Manyb leftists and Jews join together calling for a boycott of Jewish stores doing business with Israel,calling for a 1 state solution are these anti Israel groups with Jews in them Nazis?
20. "Leftaphobia again". Anyone who
DT ,   TA Israel   (08.01.11)
disagrees with the Left is a Right wing extremist
21. if he has a link to israel so why does he act like the jihad
Lana ,   Israel   (08.01.11)
ists he hates????
22. der spiegel article re EuroRight & Likud
Richard Sherwin ,   Herzliyah   (08.01.11)
Just went and read the original article. It does use the Norwegian as a lead in to their assertions of European Populist Far Right cozying up to some in Likud and Israel. Some even slightly changing their normal antisemitic antizionist approaches (which by the way seems to me to be the common denominator of most of European Politics, left right and center-- so I cant find it significant as the Der Spiegel makes it out). We're in a rotten situation where we take our allies where and when as as we can find them. And hope theyll be enough when the crunches come and we need them. They dont need us anywhere as much as we them, as far as the article seems to suggest. Some are indeed ex present proto nazis. But please recall the Left too has a long respectable jewhatred and israel hatred and pro muslim tradition: see Communist Russia and most British Guardian newspaper articles, and its respectable colleagues. So lets not rush to judgment, please.
23. leftists...
mehrdad ,   germany   (08.01.11)
i am from germany and "der spiegel" is like many many other german newspaper (TAz, SZ....) 100% antiisraeli. they bring never ever any good news about israel. they are focused on israel and bring 100% negative propaganda about the country. i read the spiegel articel and mus say that its like göbbels propaganda. you tell 20% of the truth and mix it with 80% ideology. one example: no where in this articel you can read anything about the deep friendship of geert wilders and the jewish people. spiegel means that all "right" parties in europe share an antisemitism but dont show it for tactical reason. this spiegel articel is a good example about the deeply rooted antisemitism in the german media. the only neutral newspaper in germany about israel is "welt online".
24. Der Spiegel &#6
Ayeush ,   Gibraltar   (08.01.11)
Before I add my two cents worth on the subject; let me adhere to your objection about Ynet or any "journalistic" enterprise. Someone said that journalist, in most cases, pollute the brain of the reader, distorte reality, not out of any malevolent intent (as the actual reading in the intellectual scale, journalist are apart of ignoramous). In this background Der Spiegel is struggling like any other major newspapers in Europe in its battle against the upstart Bloggers, who've changed the rules of the game and herald new dawn in the refusal to have our brains polluted by the respective agendas of the NYT, Guardian, Le Monde....you got the idea. Norway is still hurting and the end of their misery isn't in sight. I hope that they will overcome such a dreary happening, and stop poluting the minds amd brains of young people.
25. THOUGHT AS MUCH
JOYCE ,   JERUSALEM   (08.01.11)
SO ANY PERSON FROM ANY COUNTRY FROM ANY FAITH CAN BE A TERRORIST AFTER ALL. NO FINE GENTLEMAN WHEN IT COME TO TERRORISM.
26. Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are
Salma ,   Palestine   (08.01.11)
Keep spreading the hate. You can inspire other Breiviks.
27. Israel vs Dark Forces
Brod ,   USA   (08.01.11)
Israel should say NO to the Tsunami of dark forces of Leftism and Islamist-Jihadism. These dark forces share the same Luciferian god that has been attacking Israel since ancient time. It is time to counter the dark forces through the media. Their leaders should be detained and incarcerated before they do further damage in undermining Israel's government and the Nation of Israel.
28. @20
NilsG ,   Helsingborg, Sweden   (08.01.11)
Well, DT; equally, you can be branded "left wing" for not agreeing with ... you get the picture. I have so been twice - my family are laughing heartily att he thought of me as a left winger ...
29. As the people of the book,
Yossef   (08.01.11)
the religion of slaves, freed from slavery, thousands years ago, as the people who invented the Shabbat haKodesh, we cannot be right wings, certainly not supporters of post-nazi european right wings. We are the people of SOCIAL JUSTICE. We are genetically left wings. But what we could hope is a more balanced left european wing, a left who cares about the right of the jewish nation to exists in security and peace, on the land of its ancestors.
30. Salma, you are SO WRONG !
Yossef   (08.01.11)
What happens in Norway has nothing to do with Israel, we Jews are not Vikings, but you and you leaders are spreading the same hatred against Jews than Ha Mufti shel Yerushalim, who was a member of the Nazi organization. So, please, take perspective. I even don't understand why I'm continuing to care about you? That's dumb! Happy Ramadan, anyway.
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