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‘Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas’
Manfred Gerstenfeld
Published: 30.08.11, 00:00
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1. soccer fans
moron ,   galut   (08.30.11)
what do you expect from hooligans and moslems and euro-elites?
2. Some Jews are even worse
Beauchard   (08.30.11)
Mr. Gerstenfeld forgets to mention that a "progressive" Jewish organization also takes part in demonstrations where Muslim youth chant, Hamas, Hamas, all Jews to the gas". At the begining of one such demonstration a leader of this organization, Jaap Hamburger, gave a speech. He started with an anecdote about Nazis in France. Then he spoke about Israel in Gaza. The crowd cheered. This Jewish leader also said that the Jewish community only complains about (non-existent) antisemitism because it wants more government funding. He is on record as saying that people who are pro-Israel cannot be loyal to the Netherlands. Mr. Gerstenfeld, why do you spare these Jewish fellow travellers of Jew-hatred in your article? They are much worse than the football hooligans.
3. Bad news - for Holland............!
Ben Zion   (08.30.11)
He who curses Israel will be cursed !
4. not a word about la familia (typical)
sweeter than honey ,   far away   (08.30.11)
5. #2 citation please?
jl ,   usa   (08.30.11)
6. "Western civilization"
Shalom ,   U.S.A.   (08.30.11)
Why any jew lives in these countries?We have a beautiful country!
7. You are aware,aren't you,...
Gunnar ,   Gothenburg, Sweden   (08.30.11)
...that the exact same things are being shouted at the Tel Aviv derbys between Maccabi and Hapoel. And don't get me started on what the fans of Beitar Jerusalem have in their vocabulary. I've personally seen and heard it all. But since Manfred Gerstenfeld is hell-bent on finding anti-Semitism and conspiracy theories in every ashtray in every corner of Europe, that is not interesting to mention. How convenient.
8. What about Beitar Jerusalem hooligans?
Gregg ,   Haifa, IL   (08.30.11)
9. Soccer?
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.30.11)
Oh, please do ask me about a sport that permits you to use your feet and your head, but not your hands. No wonder these "people" are demented. Keep hitting things with your head, and your IQ is going to diminish considerably. Understand? Well. We do. Clearly, they do not. Duh.
10. In Dutch HAMAS snd GAS are pronounced as in name GUS.
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11. #7
steve ,   tel-aviv   (08.30.11)
Sadly..you're quite right , in soccer games, Beitar Yerushalayim suppoters chant "Mavet learavim" (Death to the arabs) It seems there are hooligans all over the world and yes, Israel is no exception
12. Where are the Liberals in all this? What? No protest?
(08.30.11)
Is racism agains Jews acceptable to all those who call themselves "guardians of human rights"? Their inaction is yet another proof that they are just as bad as the Nazis. Only worse: at least the Nazis don't hide behide a veil of false humanity and "human rights".
13. Trouble is that reality is "Hamas, Hamas, EU to the Garbage"
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14. o please, I agree with
Gabriel ,   Leiden, Netherlands   (08.30.11)
what the gentleman from gothenburg, sweden has to mention. Id say that the phrase 'hamas, hamas, jews to the gas', is the least of our problems, is around for years in football stadiums, and has since become so detached from any racial component that we (jews) over here don't really see the problem. It's different ofcourse when a muslim mob shouts it at yet another anti-israel 'demonstration', but this....Ajax-fans name themselves jews because there were historically some jews on the board, but also because the road from the stadium went through the old jewish neighbourhood. In any case, these soccer hooligans are hardly representative of dutch society, thankfully, so if Gerstenfeld intended to write an article concerning dutch hooligan-culture, he did an outstanding job (although, who cares?). If this was yet another attempt to 'prove' the dutch society anti-semitic, he failed yet again. soccer hooligans are not known for being delicate intellectuals, face it. If supporters of the one club identify with the jewish connection of their club, supporters of the other club will counter them by bringing out the shoah. Stupid? yes, but these people are stupid to begin with.
15. Football - not soccer
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16. to #9 (Sara B.) + #15
Rickie ,   Porto Alegre, Brazil   (08.30.11)
#15: I agree with you, it´s FOOTBALL, not soccer. FIFA is related to FOOTBALL! Football is the most popular sport in the world. #9 Why are you complaining about the "world" football? "Your" (US) football is much more dangerous and stupid, oblying players to use hard protections to not even die!
17. shame for us.
jan willems ,   holland   (08.30.11)
not every dutch person is against. i live is israel for 3 months to vollunteer in kitchen and kind of things. i feel ashamed. please forgive those , they are poisioned.
18. Dutch soccer hooligans
Sjirk Bangma ,   Australia   (08.30.11)
I was disgusted to read what some of my former country fellow soccer fans get up. First of all these people are not true grit sport people but rather uneducated misfits who seek confrontation and hate games for the sake of some form of sick entertainment. Let Dutch society be tolerant but never permissive of this type of racism. I am shocked at the lack of action on behalf of the Dutch authorities with regard to this behaviour.
19. Not real anti-semitism
JT ,   Rhenen   (08.30.11)
This stupid hooligans are not real anti-semetic, but against arrogant Ajax. The point is that reaction number 2 here speaks the truth. This "An different Jewish sound" organisation is worser than many hooligans. And the Netherlands is one of the most pro-Israël countrys of the world. Special the current government.
20. Feyenoord Sucks!
Avi ,   Breda, Holland   (08.30.11)
They can't aqccept it that the passed years they were shit! Ajax has the best youth acadamy! WE are the best! that's it. THere is no problem with Ajax supporters singing Hava nagilaa!! but the problem lies with them not with us!!! AFCA FOREVER!!!! and to all iggnorant americans put your head back in the sand! lol
21. shameful
Marieke ,   Holland   (08.30.11)
Oh noo... we are so stupid.. I am ashamed of the people who say this
22. Different dialects of English
Serge ,   Montreal, Canada   (08.30.11)
In the Canadian, American, Australian and New Zealand dialects of English, the game is called "soccer". In the British dialects of English, the game is called "football", as it is called in other European languages. I am not sure why some would insist that the British wording is more correct than the North American or Oceanic ones, unless they wish to insist that all Englishes but the British English are illegitimate.
23. @12 Ynet please post this one.
Gabriel ,   Leiden, Netherlands   (08.30.11)
no, genius, the nazi's invaded their nabouring countries, and took away about six million of our people, to be starved, dehumanized and murdered. That's about as bad as you could possibly get. We jews enjoy full civil rights and are protected by the law in this country. We are having some difficulties in some respects, but your statement borders on the insane. I also don't see what we (liberals) should be doing right now, what police, mayors and the dutch football association are not already doing. Also, should we take to the streets en masse, telling hooligans to be nicer to eachother? Come on. What it comes down to here, is a bunch of drunk lowlifes, interested only in violence, whishing eachother (not even us!) a violent death, alluding to the historical epitome of such, Hashoah. We ourselves never took excessive affront, there are much and much bigger fish to fry in the Netherlands. The jewish organisation called 'a different jewish sound' for starters.
24. @17
Gabriel ,   Leiden, Netherlands   (08.30.11)
Apart from the fact that your servitude to the state of Israel does you credit, why on god's green earth should you be ashamed?
25. To: No. 16
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.30.11)
I do not expect you to understand. When Brazil loses in the World Cup, Brazilians commit suicide. See what I mean about a diminishing IQ? I'm a baseball fan, by the way. Greatest game ever invented! I don't care for American football, or basketball. I confess to being an ice hockey fan, though. Montreal Canadiens, if anyone cares.
26. #25 (and pls ynet publish it this time!)
Ester   (08.31.11)
lol listen soccer is the most famous and loved sport in the world... baseball or wtvr u american like is not even half important in the world of soccer.. lol typical american my bf likes yankees and hockey too lol loooooosers
27. European Soccer Fans are Sick
Eric R. ,   USA   (08.31.11)
This sort of bigoted, racist chanting is so inconceivable to American sports fans, that it only further goes to show what an irreparably sick society Europe is, and that frankly, we Americans are vastly superior. Someday, sooner than later, the USA will win the World Cup (especially with our growing Hispanic population), and the look of disgust on the faces of all those racist European fans will be priceless.
28. To N 9, Sarah B.
Luiz Felipe Haddad ,   Niteroi, Brazil   (08.31.11)
Dear Sister. In Brazil, everybody likes soccer, like me. We have won five times the World's Championship. But Anti Semitism, here, is a crime, forbidden by the Constitution. "Feet", "heads" or "hands" do not matter about the issue. The important is the HEART. Nazist ideas are poisonous and outrageous. On the next future, I hope they will be studied as a historical trash. I salute you again.
29. English
Simon ,   London, UK   (08.31.11)
We call it football because you play it with your foot. Quite simple really. British English is the correct English. North American or Oceanic English is a local variation of British English - the Mother Tongue. I hope that helps. :-)
30. Soccer to the trash
Bill ,   New York, USA   (08.30.11)
US football may require armor, but at least we require the armor and we ban hits likely to lead to paralysis, And the fans are much better behaved, even the stupid ones. Heck, the real action at our football games is who can cook better at our trailer [parking lot] parties. George Will called US football a uniquely American combination of violence and committee meetings. And don't forget the sex element, provided by our cheerleaders. But it helps Americans purge the worst of that. No doubt about it, soccer is a cancer on the world, and one that naturally takes us counter to millions of years of evolution by forbidding use of hands. The key to eradicating anti-Semitism, hooliganism and terrorism, and to continued evolutionary progress for humanity is U.S. football.
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