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Australian parliament debate erupts over BDS
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Published: 13.09.11, 21:30
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1. BDS identical to Nazi boycott of Jewish stores.
Chaim ,   Israel   (09.13.11)
There is no distinction between the BDS boycott against Israel and Nazi boycotts of Jewish stores and businesses. Both are motivated by racial hatred. All pretensions that anti-Israel boycotts are motivated by supposed Israeli human rights abuses are ludicrous. For BDS singles out only tiny, democratic, Jewish Israel and leaves real mass human rights abusers in peace.
2. the greens
joker ,   oz   (09.13.11)
the greens in australia are a very small minority made up of mainly atheist homosexuals, who gain a small amount of power by abusing the preferential voting system in this country. the majority of australians are christian and stand behind israel completely and always will, however we are being 'watered down' by massive arab muslim immigration, who push views that are also published as 'australian views'.
3. I have no idea what the outcome was
Carl ,   USA   (09.13.11)
"Labor ended up voting with the Greens to negate the suspension, defeating the proposal 34 votes to 30." That's great if we knew what the actual proposal was or negating the suspension. But I don't have a clue!
4. BDS
zichron   (09.13.11)
Boycott all arab countries where jews are forbidden to live as equal citizens with permission to build synagogues and claim israel for the jews from the sea to the river.
5. ????????????????
Ira G. ,   Israel   (09.13.11)
What is going on in this article? It's like an episode of Lost. We finished reading and had no idea what was happening. Who is your editor??
6. Boycott Libya? Syria? Lebanon? Iran? Venezuela?
Levi   (09.13.11)
naaaa, lets boycott Israel.
7. Similarities aplenty; same plot-different ending
HaifaGuy   (09.13.11)
We are reliving the flaming 30-ies; it's Sieg Heil all over again coming from left, right and center. But wait, it sounds more like Allahu Akbar, innit blokes? One tiny difference this time around: we have a state, a pretty darn good army, a pretty darn good war-winning record, a "nowhere to run" situation, and for dessert, a few hundred nukes in case all of the above falls through. Oh, and one more thing: we don't die, we mmmmmultiply! Heil Israel :-)
8. #2
matt ,   usa   (09.14.11)
first you say that BDS in oz is driven by leftism, homosexuality and atheism and then you blame muslim immigration. Anyone who lives in countries like Australia knows that apart from a few fundamentalist Christians and green activists , nobody cares about Israel one way or the other. You dont need to apologize for this or make up stories about massive popular support for Israel. Fundamentalist christians are just as much a fringe element in Australia as the greens are. btw Christianity is predicted to disappear from Australia, Canada, NZ and Scandanavia within the next 50 years.
9. nuke tard
Malcolm Blankenship ,   US   (09.14.11)
paranoid parasite. somebody doesn't want to buy your hot choc and you threaten to nuke them. facts on the ground as you zionist like to say. you throw one nuke around, as the world isn't sick of you already, your done for and those kill switches you say you put on those toys you sell, the flipside to that is the German engineers ( don'tthink they care aboutyou) that you tdonated hose subs can sink them if the rabid dogs starts to bark and become a threat.
10. #2 Keep Joking fool
Chris.B ,   Australia   (09.14.11)
Most Australians arn't as nieve as you or go to church.
11. what happened
Daniel ,   Sydney, Australia   (09.14.11)
Ok, heres what happened. There are 4 parties in Australia. Liberal, National, Labor, and the Greens. Liberal and National are centre right and have been formally allied with each other both in and out of government for decades. They are both both pro israel. Labor is centre left, and whilst generally fair towards Israel does contain anti Israel fringe elements. Currently they are in a coalition with the far left Greens, which is unusual but the results of the last election meant this was the only way for them to hang onto power. The Greens have several senators who are rabidly anti israel and have been involved in BDS activities, not to mention other anti israel campaigns by green politicians and state and municipal level. Bob Brown (the leader of the greens) denies this is the formal policy of the federal party, but most people see that as a front to try and maintain a semi-respectable image for a party that most australians still view as leftist kooks. what happened tuesday was that the Liberals/Nationals brought a motion to censure one of the Green senators for thier involvement with BDS. Labor, which normally would have supprted the motion used their numbers to join with the greens to block it in order to maintain their alliance with the greens,
12. BDS isn't anti-Jewish. Israel, not Jews, being targetted
Edward ,   Sydney, Australia   (09.14.11)
Anti-semitism would be boycotting the many Jewish businesses in Australia. But noone's pushing for that. The issue is anti-Israeli, because people think the Arabs in the West Bank are entitled to their own freedom. Each time you spew 'anti-semitism' at something completely unrelated to it, you diminish the term's meaning and come across as opportunists.
13. BDS
Mary Hughes-Thompson ,   Los Angeles, USA   (09.14.11)
Outrageous to suggest there is any similarity to BDS and the Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses. BDS is not about Jews. It is not racially motivated. It is a protest against six decades of occupation of Palestine by Israel. Boycotts against South Africa for its racist policies against Blacks helped to end apartheid there. BDS is an effort to end Israel's racist policies against Palestinians.
14. #12,13
Dan the Jafa ,   Auckland,New Zealand   (09.14.11)
Ugh... one thing both of you and the rest of the BDS suffer cognitive dissonance about, is that singling out Israel because it is a Jewish state is the very essence of anti-Semitism. Oh I forgot, in the touchy-feely circles of the progressive movement the term de jour is "anti-Zionism" because anti-semitism is so 1930... (Bleating about not being anti-semitic because arabs speak a semitic language too in 3.. 2.. 1..)
15. Mary H-T
Adon Emmett ,   Perth Australia   (09.14.11)
Except that Israerl has repeatedly sought peace with the Arabs including Palestinians - There are Peace agreements with Egypt Jordan and there have been numerous attempts which the Palestinians have turned their backs upon including Camp David. The Palestinians even got Gaza through unilateral disengagement and look how Hamas responded to this largess. Moreover, Israeli Arabs do have rights and do get positions in society like Knesset and High Court, meanwhile Jews have no or limited rights in Arab and Persian lands. So where's the Apartheid? I'd be ashamed to show my ignorance Mary HaTe
16. Mary Hughes Thompson #13
R ,   Israel   (09.14.11)
Outrageous to suggest that the BDS is not anti-Jewish. Explain why BDS boycotts Israel, the only democracy in the middle east, in which Arabs serve as Knesset members. Explain why the BDS does not boycott Saudi Arabia, where Jews are not even allowed to enter the country. Explain why the BDS does not boycott Iran where homosexuals are executed for bein homosexual. Explain why the BDS does not boycott Syria for its treatment of its own citizens.
17. sorry Edward - it is Anti Semitism
Trevor ,   Modiin   (09.14.11)
100% anti-semitic, its just that Israel is now the Jew. There are no boycotts of any goods made in Libya. Syria, Saudi Arabia and all other countries that dont believe in Human RIghts, Womans rights, religious freedom, freedom of expression, homosexuality etc... the only country in the middle east that is being Boycotted by these so called liberals (another word for anti-semite) is Israel, and she is the only country in the Middle East that actually respects all Human Rights. I suggest you have a long hard think about the BDS campaign - you will see, its anti-Semetic
18. Hear, hear Trevor!
Keren ,   Tzafon Israel   (09.14.11)
19. no 13
alexa ,   Israel   (09.14.11)
You are saying 6 decades of occupation so you mean that we have no right here at all . You want us to go back to where ever we came from . Just like Hamas does
20. BDS
shlomo   (09.14.11)
BDs is about boycotting businesses who profit by exploiting Palestinian resources, stealing from Palestinian lands and manufacturing on occupied land. It is about boycoting companies like Caterpillar whose bulldozers demolish homes and KILL innocent people, It is not anti-jewish or anti=semetic. It has nothing to do with Syria or any other country. Just Israel. BDS
21. Edward #12 then please explain
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (09.15.11)
Why they are targeting Jewish owned AUSTRALIAN businesses if it only targets Israel? Please explain because the bullshit factor seems to be in place.
22. #12 & BDS -5 terrorists arrested today in Israel!!!!
telavivit ,   Ex Australia   (09.15.11)
Did you know that Boycotting Israel products, that would include boycotting Intel, google, many smart phone applications.. The list is huge.. Oh but there would be no need would there? Why Max Brenner, it is the first I heard that cocoa was grown in Gaza! I would love to personally discuss the situation. I am an Australian residing in Israel. BDS feel free to publish an email........
23. #12 - name one Israeli Arab or Druze company
William ,   Israel   (09.15.11)
that BDS has ever targeted. I rest my case.
24. #17 Martin Luther King figured this out in the 1960s
William ,   Israel   (09.15.11)
25. #20 - how then is Max Brenner Chocolates involved?
William ,   Israel   (09.15.11)
It's not operating in West Bank or Gaza and their own by Nestle. It doesn't use "Palestinian" resources - whatever the hell that is, and they do provide some jobs to "Palestinians" who have work visas to enter Israel allowing them to provide a respectable life for their family. So, how exactly do they meet the criteria you have outlined? It doesn't, making the accusation of "racism" stick harder to the BDS. You can boycott the companies like Caterpillar but most of their business is in high-growth economies that couldn't care less about you dregs, nor the "Palestinians" - China, India, Dubai. You're such a tool Shlomo. For your next trick - try to stop a bulldozer with your hand and a kefiyeh.
26. #22- watch out, they may come and flashmob you
William ,   Israel   (09.15.11)
they won't debate you on facts or intl law, but they would (poorly) dance you into submission.
27. I was in Australia-Melbourne when i saw arabs protesting at
valentina ,   israel   (09.16.11)
max brenner, it was in a city shopping centre, they had those mega phones and screaming their lungs out. The funniest thing was watching how the arabs who were eating at max brenner reacted when hundreds of their little friends came and started screaming out hateful slogans. I guess they feel intimidation is the best way to get what they want.
28. @17- The white BDS are left-wing who people without labels
Edward ,   Sydney, Australia   (09.16.11)
It's you who are putting the label 'Jew' on Israel's actions, just as Arabs & Muslims who label 'Jew' onto everything Israeli. To the non-Arab, non-Muslim world, they see this 'Jew' label as completely irrelevant because noone cares if you're a Jew or not, or if a country calls itself Jew or whatever else. The developed world just based on actions, principles. No chosen people, no infidels, no 'believers'. Israelis, 'Jews' and Arabs all struggle to grasp this concept.
29. @17- Logical fallacy. Why criticise Iran but not Myanmar?
Edward ,   Sydney, Australia   (09.16.11)
I could easily accuse of "Islamophobia" when you point out Iran and Saudi Arabia but don't take action against Myanmar, North Korea or Congo. But I don't because I have a grasp of logic. I hope you come to realise how mind-numbing it is when misology comes to you in the accusation of "anti-" or "phobia" at something completely unrelated to the issue. Logical fallacies, that wonder tool for hiding away from an argument.
30. #29- "hair-splitting moral grandstander"
Scott ,   Sunshine Coast, Aust   (09.16.11)
Lovely semantics easily and roundly summed up in real-speak as : Bullshit. People like you dont take your eye off Israel or Jews for one moment. Meanwhile real atrocities are taking place and you dont give a stuff. Hypocrites. (Dont worry, you think you have company - there's a lot of us too, and we wont let you have your way.)
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