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Rabbi Dov Lior: Collective punishment against rioters
Yair Altman
Published: 25.09.11, 19:52
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31. to#29 re #26...OUR SIDE OF THE GREEN LINE
exUK ,   Tel Aviv   (09.26.11)
There are many of us Israelis who firmly believe that we have no business on the other side of it,and that settlements are the primary obstacle to peace.One could put forward chronological arguments etc.....but freeze settlements,announce it to the world,and,yes,we'll have 'problems' with our selfish extreemist religious lot over the line,but they will need to consider the greater good of normal folk in 'original Israel' before events overtake us...
32. #31, #29
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (09.26.11)
#31 Read the Hamas Charter, the PLO charter, the Fatah charter. Listen to the words of Arafat, Abbas and read the Saudi Peace plan. They all agree: there is no "Our side of the Green Line", the Nakba happened in 1948, there can be no peace until you accept unlimited Arab immigration into what you call "original Israel". We can't even begin to discuss real issues until you address the above. #29: You can't have half a solution. Where will you put the Jews? A smarter answer would have been "back to Khazaria" or "rock and tree", your pick.
33. #17 so driving a car, on a road with your son is inflammator
Rebecca ,   Modiin   (09.26.11)
to the Arabs, our existence is inflammatory. Therein lies the problem. We'd like to continue to exist.
34. COVER-UP NOT CERTAIN
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (09.26.11)
I don't think the police coming to one conclusion (it was a car accident). Then changing that view to (it was terrorism), necessary means it was a cover-up. The Media typically jumps to conclusions based on the available information. So the first impression of the police changed as more investigation revealed evidence that might point to terrorism (i.e. The driver had blunt trauma injury to the head, that pointed to being hit by a rock). It happens, it doesn't mean a cover-up necessarily by the police.
35. #31;exUK, BUT NOW WHAT???????
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (09.26.11)
You write: "One could put forward chronological arguments etc.....but freeze settlements,announce it to the world," Of course the "chronological arguments" you refer to is simple. That from 1948-1967 there were NO settlements at all. So how could settlements be the "main obstacle" to peace? History proves that to be nonsense (i.e. constant terrorist attacks, and 3 wars to destroy Israel)? Part TWO of your statement was "but freeze settlements". But that is exactly what Netanyahu did? BiBi announced and implemented a 10 month freeze to start "direct talks" with the Palestinians. Hilary Clinton at the time, referred to the "freeze" as "historic" and unprecedented" for Israel. But what happened? It was perceived as weakness by Abbas, and he immediately began calls for MORE concessions from Israel. Before he would sit down for "indirect talks". So what's your next suggestion??
36. #10 - this "rabbi"
yosef ,   memphis   (09.26.11)
By speaking disrespectfully of Rabbi Lior you show that this RABBI is closer to G-d than you ever will be.
37. Collective punishement
Henry Weil ,   Jerusalem   (09.26.11)
This policy was applied in many conflicts even perfectionned by the Germans, its liek the death penalty it does not work, However if the Rabbi is sincere not only extreme same should apply to the acts ofextrem actions on the part os some settlers, like damaging IDF equipement and hurling rocks on Arabs and destroying their trees then its ok otherwise its unjust
38. regarding Gilad Shalit ...
John ,   Alaska   (09.26.11)
The Arabs seem to be saying one Jewish life is worth 1000 Arab lives. If Israel wishes to respect the Arab's perspective, then two separate executions of 1000 Arabs each would be what the Arabs expect.
39. To #5 Jarda in Czech Republic
John ,   Alaska   (09.26.11)
Israel will return to being at war (the so-called "palestinian" Arabs are at war with Israel already, it's only Israel who is trying to be at peace). When this happens, you will see your heroes, the "palestinian" Arabs receive the just reward of murdering babies and hiding behind their own babies when they attack Jews. And you will see the Jews whom you so despise stand in the victory that God Most High has given them. Maybe seeing God keeping safe His Chosen, the Jews, will help you to repent for hating those same Jews.
40. Does I.D.F. now stand for islam's defense
jason white ,   afula, israel   (09.26.11)
force? The damn politicians have twisted the army into a PC group with an agenda against the rightful inhabitants of the liberated territories, the Jews.
41. The truth hurts and is unpleasant but words of wisdom of
olim hadashim ,   tel aviv/israel   (09.26.11)
the Rabbi !
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