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US lawmaker apologizes for anti-Semitic remark
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Published: 05.11.11, 11:05
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31. #22
nadirs   (11.05.11)
if the comment is racist against Jewish people it is anti-Semitic you're free to express it but it makes you a racist. if not then calling a white person a "cracker or Honkey" calling a black man a "ni**er" calling a Mexican a "wet back" etc. shouldn't be considered racist either?
32. Does the shoe fit?
Steve ,   USA   (11.05.11)
Look people, stuff your righteous indignation. My bona fides are well known to my community, and I proudly fly a Mogen David over my business several times each year, but I have a large contingent of fellow Jewish clients from Israel and Iran who do not like paying retail or sales tax. It is a very familiar song and dance and I do not usually take offense to it realizing that in some areas it is the way business is conducted. There are times however when it gets out of hand and I must end the charade. It occurs several times each day and has been my experience for almost 25 years of business. P.S. my business is in a very affluent area in So.Cal so the majority of these folks are not really in dire need of saving a couple bucks. Roll with it, there are bigger concerns.
33. To #6 Sarah B
John ,   Alaska   (11.05.11)
Mr Taylor's realization after making i, that the remark was "probably a bad term" could point to socially institutionalized anti-Semitism that he would not intend to perpetuate. His voting record indicates that Taylor is a textbook Conservative. According to such sources as Caroline Glick, American Conservatives are more likely to support Israel than are Liberals. He truly might not have realized the extent to which socially institutionalized anti-Semitism permeates our culture until he found himself using an anti-Semitic slur. Everyone should have a chance to repent. If he's done this before and what he meant was "Wow, I probably shouldn't have said that out loud", then yes, he is unfit to serve. But if this represents a realization for him that he, as well as his social group, needs to improve both in word and deeds, he should be allowed the opportunity to do so. We all make mistakes, we should see whether he believes his was in his attitude or in it being exposed.
34. DON'T CHRISTIAN THEM DOWN
LAWRENCE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (11.05.11)
What ?? I am not being offensive ,just a phrase I grew up with.
35. Regrets But Still Means It
Dan ,   USA   (11.05.11)
36. No. 32 Steve
NYC Girl   (11.06.11)
I have some friends who are contractors and home-builders and if you don't think that they're constantly being offered payment in cash to avoid the sales tax, you have another thing coming. So don't think for a minutes that this is something peculiar to Jews. Also, I wonder if it's possible you're dealing with people who are haggling with you over the sales tax because they're Middle Eastern... more so than because they're Jews. But that being said, we have a right to be indignant when prejudicial ethnic stereotypes are being applied to an entire group of people.
37. He did apologize
(11.06.11)
38. To #26 David in Jerusalem
John ,   Alaska   (11.06.11)
"They did it too" does not justify bad behavior. Try again.
39. #36 Steve, did it ever occur to you
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (11.06.11)
that your customers find better prices on the Internet, thus they don't have to deal with your repulsive self, of that BJ'S, COSTCO & WALMART have better prices & customer service Everyone wants the best deal they can get, which doesn't seem to be from the likes of you
40. Jews spit at Christian clergy in Jerusalem
James ,   USA   (11.06.11)
Orthodox Jews spit on Christian clergy in the streets of Jerusalem on a daily basis. Where is the ADL? Where is the condemnation for that? That is much worse than anything this congressman said.
41. To #40 James - yes, indeed it is ...
John ,   Alaska   (11.06.11)
But please see my post #38. Ha'Shem will work in the lives of these Orthodox Jews; that is His job. The same will happen with anyone who mistreats anyone in a Covenant with Ha'Shem. What this means in everyday life is, whether we are Jews of Christians, we trust Ha'Shem to take care of others. Our job is to behave properly ourselves. *looking back at this post it is quite poorly phrased, but I will hit submit anyway because hopefully the point will get across despite my phrasing*
42. I agree
#18 ,   Israel/USA   (11.06.11)
While I do not like the phrase, and I do find it offensive I do not think that he even made the connection until after he said it. The fact that he realized the mistake and immediately apologized is a good sign. Just remember most of us use racist phrases without meaning to. hooligan = drunken Irish Bastard Hip hip hooray = lets go murder Jews So before condemning this guy, which most people here seem to be doing lets just look at where we do the same thing without even knowing
43. #15 Sarah B****
Dunkin Donut ,   USA   (11.06.11)
Why... You obviosuly haven't and your still around... Why dont you just move to Israel ....and stay there
44. Too much fuss
Sidney ,   USA   (11.06.11)
I have lived in the rural west for a very long time. While the expression is offensive, I know that some people use the expression without intending to offend. Although it is hard for Israelis to believe there are parts of the United States where Jews are rarely seen and never thought about.
45. #2 Split US
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (11.06.11)
Once a moron, always a moron, you proved it again I really don't know why you pretend to be in the US, nobody there quite spells like you do, except the illiterate "Loveing" you, there isn’t any such spelling for "Loving" Ditto for apologise, American’s use “z” instead of “s”, which you have just one of yourself
46. Relax...
(11.06.11)
Why does the ADL have to jump all over him after he apologized so rapidly?!? It makes us Jews seem petty. There are bigger fish to fry out there than a Congressman's gaffe...
47. Bring out the cranberry sauce & dressings
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (11.07.11)
He's already cooked his own goose Ron Paul, is just like him, two outed anti-Semites in Congress
48. #40 James - Christian Clergy
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (11.07.11)
Tortured Jews during the Inquistion Rabbis were expressing their appreciation
49. No worse than "Going Dutch," "Scot Free," or "Indian Giver"
Sue ,   Los Angeles   (11.07.11)
I can't remember how many times in my life I heard gentiles say "he tried to Jew me down" - to my face, knowing I was Jewish! I would be offended, but realized that they grew up with the expression and were not necessarily anti-Semitic. We should therefore forgive Rep Taylor, especially if we ourselves have ever used a less-than-flattering expression about Dutch, Scots, Indians, or any ethnic group.
50. Sarah B - Probably a bad term?
Tam Highpoint ,   Prince George, USA   (11.07.11)
Sarah, Jews are not children of a lesser God, and I know they are more forgiving than some of our Sharpton, Hi-Jackson type countrymen.
51. to #49 Sue
US Navy Officer ,   ship at sea   (11.07.11)
don't forget "welsh on a deal" or "indian summer"
52. For 2000 christians killed Jews and
Don Rosenberg ,   Palatine USA   (11.07.11)
committed pogroms, and it still goes on today. Maybe the Jews should have been like you so-called christians and killed the clergy. Get educated idiot on true history and what you people did, if you can read.
53. and don't forget Paddy-wagon....
sarah ,   jerusalem israel   (11.07.11)
...because only the Irish ever get arrested, dontcha know? C'mon, people, it's American slang like the others cited [Scot free, Indian summer, etc.]and most people use it unintentionally, almost never making the connection with the phrase and the ethnic group insulted. I've had it used at work by people who knew I was Jewish and it wasn't until I pointed it out that they made the connection.
54. #48 Ben in Israel. You are quite correct.
John ,   Alaska   (11.07.11)
Also correct is that these particular Christian Clergy did not themselves participate in this. I would say to the children or grandchildren of these Christians that the children or grandchildren of these samy Rabbis did not themselves spit on them. Today in Sharia states, both Christians and Jews are tortured, violated and murderered by Muslims with impunity. Because of this, I would think both Christians and Jews would cling to each other and to Ha'Shem for dear life, rather than doing part of the Muslims' job for them.
55. #52 Don in Palatine 1 of 2
John ,   Alaska   (11.08.11)
Your comment is clearly a response to a post, and could pertain to mine. If it does not, then please accept my apologies. Your response is worrying enough for an idiot somehow graced with literacy to research. The education provided by a half day of perusing multiple search engines and news feeds provides the following: In late 2007 some apparently Christian thugs (apologies to the adherents of Mother Kali) attacked a group of Jews because, they said, Hanukkah was when the Jews killed Jesus. Fortunately there was an alert Muslim on the subway car who was able to intervene. There are no other instances of physical violence directed at Jews in the US in the name of Christianity readily available. A literate idiot might not, however, have accessed the sources you have. Do provide sources, because your post is indeed worrying. As to the rather unseemly, mean-spirited activity you are defending, what do you think we so-called Christians here in the US should do to soothe your ruffled feathers? I phrase this harshly because we don't condone hurtful, mean-spirited words or deeds, whoever the source may be. As to hurtful behavior, I have a small set of questions for you: given that in Sharia states both Christians and Jews are being tortured, violated and murdered in the name of Islam, do you think it that both Christians and Jews would survive the worldwide threat of Islam more effectively as friends? If not, why not? If so, what steps are you willing to take to make this the case, knowing that I am willing to mirror them? (and showing my email to prove my sincerity in this - feel free to contact me if you would like us to work in tandem)
56. #52 Don in Palatine post 2 of 2
John ,   Alaska   (11.08.11)
I do assure you: I am aware that people who claim to be followers of Messiah have said terrible things about Israel and about Jews, and while neither many search engines and news feeds are not forthcoming about attacks on Jews in the name of Christianity, there may well be such atrocious behavior in the Middle East. There is not much I can do about this; perhaps cc you in a pointed email to whatever people might be an effective contact in stopping such despicable behavior. More to the point, I am not sure that there is anything it is reasonable to expect me to do; I am not them. Despite your phrasing, any given Christian is not necessarily one of "you people". Further, it is likely that the Christian clergy your rabbis treat with scorn are not the same Christian clergy as those who treat your rabbis with scorn. If they are, a list of their sermons or some quotations may be in order and would justify sermons or quotations in response. We respond to words with words. If they are not, then do you think it is morally justified to punish one person for the actions of another, especially when the two do not know one another? If so, what basis do you have for your view? If not, do you want to reconsider your post? (As an example, when I was 15, I heard a man named Don make a horrible joke about another shoah. I don't consider you responsible for his terrible sin, despite the fact that you have the same first name and country of residence) And finally, Don: do other people call you hurtful names? If so, that is sad. But even if so, that does not justify you calling other people hurtful names. Your post #52 speaks poorly of yourself, your family and your G-d. n.b. - I could add here "assuming you serve one", and unlike your "if you can read" it would be reasonable. After all, isn't your writing in response to someone else's text while questioning their ability to either have provided you something to which to reply as well as their ability to read your what you sent them counter-intuitive? I would not call someone an idiot for using such phraseology, because I know from being on the receiving end of this hurtful and mean-spirited comment that it is wrong. Reading this over, I feel I must include this addendum: I can tell you are hurt and afraid, and that pain and fear can lead to anger and hatred. Whether or not you follow Ha'Shem, I will pray for you, for emotional healing. Nobody should have to feel the negative emotions which surely prompted your post.
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