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EU Jews fear anti-circumcision laws
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 06.11.11, 14:06
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1. culture
Rachel   (11.06.11)
circumcision can hardly be considered culture, does it? Wrong argument. It does give the Muslim population more clout too- the next step is Sharia -
2. That's right, it's time to end this barbarian custom.
Michael ,   California, USA   (11.06.11)
Jewish religion demands circumcision but religion is in retreat as an irrelevant relic. I have no statistics, but believe parents still agree to circumcise their sons for health reasons and avoid the religious ritual. Most of the parent in Europe and America probably no longer opt for the circumcision at all. Get on with the modern times and end promoting circumcision. Jewishness is in the upper head, the one that holds the soul and culture.
3. # 1&2: Basic democratic freedoms include religion
Flavio ,   Sao Paulo, Brazil   (11.06.11)
Frankly, I cannot understand these initiatives against circumcision. I will not go into the religious aspects of the matter; it is more than enough to remember that the decision to circumcise a newborn is entirely related to the sphere of the private life of every citizen and to his/her right to freedom of religion. No one, I repeat, no one has the right to tell me or anybody else whether it is right or wrong to circumcise a son. Meddling into other people's private life, this is the real barbarian custom!
4. Sue them in European Human Rights Court
Sami ,   New York, USA   (11.06.11)
Sue them in European Human Rights Court.
5. Incredible
Arturo   (11.06.11)
"liberals" think circumcision is child abuse, but abortion somehow isn't. But truly, there is no requirement to circumcise your child if you don't want to. There should be no law against it either. It's called freedom of choice, and freedom to practice your religion.
6. read the philosophe Derrida about Circumcision
(11.06.11)
it is a essential ritual for Jews
7. Can't speak for England or Finland, but...
Gabriel ,   Leiden, Netherlands   (11.06.11)
Fundamentalist secularism is a growing trend here in the Netherlands. Anything that even reeks of religion is considered suspect. I don't know if this is a healthy development. That being said, the doctor's federation here in the Netherlands is calling for an active discouragement policy, not a ban, as this article suggests.
8. reason for this attempted ban
observer   (11.06.11)
the homosexuals are fighting back against the source of opposition to their way of life. they now feel sufficiently strong to go on the offensive.
9. banning circumcision
Arn ,   Yehud, Israel   (11.06.11)
The Christians in all of Europe and parts of Asia have tried with huge effort from time immemorial to rid the world of Jews. The histories of Spain, England, Germany, France and Russia, to name just a few, are rife with dark histories in this regard. It boggles the mind to think how this ancient nation of Jews managed to survive when so many other nations have simply vanished without trace. How could this ancient people scattered so thinly around the world resist their ultimate erasure? How could a Jew in distant Asia feel what is virtually an organic kinship with a Jew in Alabama? Circumcision is Gods first covenant with the Jews. To eliminate circumcision is to deny this covenant and thus undermine everything cohesive in a Jewish identity. The Christians tried everything else and failed. Banning circumcision is their newest ploy. They will fail here too.
10. circumcision
Yehuda ,   London   (11.06.11)
i have spoken to an expert. Legal action in the European Court could take years.
11. #8 observer
solomon ,   bklyn   (11.06.11)
You are again approaching new heights of absurdity. Congratulations.
12. Israel was created for this very reason.
Vlad   (11.07.11)
To provide a safe haven for Jews when they are persecuted or restricted. In my opinion, those European Jews should buy up property in the settlements and in Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, as a special screw-off to their governments.
13. Europe, still?
Serge ,   Montreal, Canada   (11.07.11)
When you think about it, kind of amazing that Jews still live in Europe at all. Not for long, I guess. Hello, Israel.
14. Two birds with one stone ,...
split ,   US   (11.07.11)
Creative and clever way to get rid of uninvited 'guests' ,...
15. circumcision
spookey ,   birmingham uk   (11.07.11)
a new born child is a person in its own right , what gives someone else the right to mutulation with out that persons consent ,
16. CER, Conference of European Rabbis
David ,   London   (11.07.11)
Thanks, and gratitude, to the Conference for its stand, and for all it works and accomplishes on behalf of European Jewry.
17. ban circumcision
KMR ,   Overseas   (11.07.11)
Circumcission means human going against God's will or going against nature...
18. No worry
Raphael ,   Netanya   (11.07.11)
Eurocowards will lower the age of authorized circumcision from 18 to 7, so as not to hurt moslem sensitivity. Usual christian dhimmi behaviour.
19. #15 spookey
solomon ,   bklyn   (11.07.11)
There are many things parents (heard of them?) decide for their child. A child is not a 'person' in his/her own right when it comes to decisions, especially at the age of 8 days.
20. #17 kmr
solomon ,   bklyn   (11.07.11)
G-d told Abraham to get circumcised. As far as nature is concerned: do you cut your hair? wear clothes? fly in an airplane? drive a car? (These last two are far more dangerous than being circumcised.)
21. #20 solomon
KMR ,   Overseas   (11.07.11)
hahaha funny, I can't buy your comparison...... Cutting foreskin of penis and cutting hair can't be compared as similar! LOL........ Further, Cutting hair or cutting nail or wearing cloth or fly airplane or drive car not termed as mutilation! Please see dictionary the meaning of word mutilation!!!!
22. Euros are afraid...
Ari Ariyeh ,   USA   (11.08.11)
...Of their diminishing numbers, fear and cultural confusion. AM YISROEL CHAI!
23. Cerebral circumcision
Herb ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (11.08.11)
Spookey, Rachel and Michael are victims of the barbaric custom of cerebral circumcision, which causes a lifelong condition of diminished intelligence
24. A Good Time To Leave Europe
K ,   Chicago, USA   (11.08.11)
Europe has out lived its usefulness. It is time for the Jewish communities in each nation to leave and return to Israel. When the last Jew has left, and the Continent is then Judenfrei they will understand that they have lost their most productive, intelligent citizens. All they will have left is the Muslims, who BTW circumcise their sons. At age 12 I believe.
25. #20 Solomon, Cutting ends of nerves
Michael ,   California, USA   (11.08.11)
at the penis diminishes sexual satisfaction. There are no nerve ends in hair or fingernails. Please register it, circumcision reduces man's ability to be sexually satisfied.
26. #24: Actually Israelis join Europe
berlonski ,   berlin   (11.08.11)
Well, the reality is a bit diffferent. For example: thousands of young Israelis applied for and received a German passport in the last few years (is also true for other EU countries) and only in 2010 there were 140.000 Israelis visiting Berlin, mainly as tourists. About 10.000 (mainly young) Isarelis live in Berlin with a permanent residence. Obviously there are other important things in people's lifes than circumcision laws...
27. Cutting ends of nerves
Eric ,   Calgary, Canada   (11.08.11)
I don't know about you, M, bit i get plenty of sexual satisfaction from my circumcised penis. maybe you should try a partner and not use your hand so much.
28. #24 -- I see you are in the USA
Liz ,   Germany   (11.08.11)
First you leave there to Israel and then we might as well. Hypocrate.
29. complete bull from the mentally challenged
Mahlon Drumgoole ,   Newark NJ USA   (11.08.11)
What is next in Europe---the banning of the Torah? These hysterical Know-nothings never miss the opportunity to feel important. Remember, the WHO is recommending the widespread use of circumcision a a way of combatting HIV. That's a fact. Second, there is no evidence that circumcision does anything to a man's sex drive and those who repeat this lie are either misinformed or liars. As far as the British medicalgroup wishing to ban circumcision, they are just antisemites. As doctors they should know the truth about circumcision and probably do but just don't care. Obviously, by denying observant Jews the right to get kosher meat and then banning circumcision, thgey are announcing in a not so subtle way that Jews are not allowed freedom of religion in these so-called democracies.
30. #27 Eric, ask your doc. Hand or other,it's less than u could
Michael ,   California, USA   (11.08.11)
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