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The Palestinian deception
Yochanan Visser, Sharon Shaked
Published: 28.12.11, 11:10
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1. palestine peace or not
e andrews ,   belfast   (12.28.11)
why don't you stop hiding behind America and give them a state and find out. you could always nuke them with your 200 plus warheads if they are not peaceful
2. We've known all that for years. It's mindboggling that the
tom ,   tel aviv   (12.28.11)
Israeli so called Left-wing refuses to look at the facts that are in front of everyone's noses. Talking about self-deception... or is it that famous Jewish guilt-psychosis, that drives those lunatics? Go figure.
3. mission impossible
zivron   (12.28.11)
If even the shia and wahabi hate eachother and kill eachother and secular arabs are now hated by islamists they will never accept jewish security control even in the twenty five thousand kilometres of eretz yisroel but a truce quiet and cold war are realizable . Most sane persons arab and jew know a fanatical conflict will lead to mass destruction of at the minimum islamic and jewish land surfaces unihabitable for centuries.
4. Israelis are always late to understand
Philippe Delaporte ,   Marseilles France   (12.28.11)
the palestinian treachery. The pals have one aim : the destruction of Israel no matter the sweet language the Israelis understand. Pals are not to be trusted , the only language they understand is the unfortunate language of power rendering them weaker and weaker. The Pals have never helped towards peace and never will.
5. nukes
e andrews ,   belfast   (12.28.11)
all im trying to say is why do so many nations that say they believe in god have so many nukes. do they believe in god or man
6. This is not news
Rachel ,   US   (12.28.11)
7. Taqiyya
R Harris ,   London, UK   (12.28.11)
Look guys - if you are going to write an article about taqiyya, then you should really get its accepted English translation correct: dissimulation. Dissimulation is miles away from "deception" and one could say that the Jews of Spain practised it for a few hundred years. However, that would really undermine your theories that everything awful in the world stems from Islam and the presence of Palestinians in the Land of Israel.
8. #5 e andrews
Devorah   (12.28.11)
It is not an either/or situation. G-D has no objection to the use of weapons. What you did was ratchet weapons up from slings, arrows, etc., to nukes given the time we are living in. Here is an article that I hope helps you. http://www.bible-archaeology.info/war.htm
9. So they're just like...
Gunnar ,   Gothenburg, Sweden   (12.28.11)
...the Netanyahu government then; telling the world about its commitment to peace, while telling the public at home "No concessions!!!" Israelis and Palestinians really do have more in common than what most people think. Their leaders also, apparently.
10. No. 5
NYC Girl   (12.28.11)
This has nothing to do with god...and, anyway, the majority of Israelis aren't religious. However, the problem is the Israelis live in a really shitty neighborhood surrounded by knuckle-dragging Muslim fanatics who would like nothing better than to see Israel disappear from the Middle East.
11. #1, Like from 1890s onwards?
Danny   (12.28.11)
At what point do you consider the Palestinians "not peaceful"?
12. This are not news, its an old hat
Susya Bar Dror ,   IL   (12.28.11)
because this Dr. Abbas is like his cronies hates Israel and - I insist on that - they all hate jews. Just read the koran: like in "mein kampf" it contains everything about the relations with Jews. Therefore, it is absolutely stupid what is going on in Israel, with the so-called haredim and with the working poors. Israel must avoid creating enemies within.
13. This is a very well written document
Maximilian Teusch ,   FL   (12.28.11)
and it should be published in every jewish newspaper and jewish journal and in every western newspaper and political website.
14. The best title of the year:"the Palestinian Deception"
Anna M Sedda ,   Rome-Italy   (12.28.11)
This is the PLO plan;deception in the West,deception in e East(the M.East...),deception in the North,deception in the South.the Worldwide Deception...... It s about 60 years that Palies are in deception and NOW is time to say it...
15. from slings to nukes
e andrews ,   belfast   (12.28.11)
#5 may be right but god made man he did not make him with a sling man made slings. my point is if you believe in god you neither have need of sling or nuke. they are man made therefore you believe in man
16. bad neighbors
e andrews ,   belfast   (12.28.11)
nyc girl is right its a bad neighborhood but the jews moved there with there eyes wide open. where they treated thn palestians like america treated the soux
17. BS, end Jewish occupation in Palestine = problem solved
TJ ,   USA   (12.28.11)
The world has passed this crap. Israel used the 20+ years of so-called peace process to steal more Palestinian lands and build more Jewish-only settlements on stolen Palestine lands. Obvious, this problem will ONLY be solved when Jewish occupation in Palestine is defeated and uprooted. Abbas's peace crap will never achieve anything even if it lasts 100s of years.
18. #15 e andrews
Devorah   (12.28.11)
G-D did not make man with clothes either. Does this mean we worship clothes? Should we all run around naked just to show we believe in G-D? By the way, your computer is man made. Does this mean you worship it? Based on your hypothesis, it does, so you better get rid of it ASAP.
19. #7 Really?
Bryan ,   Beer Sheva   (12.28.11)
The definitions I find about dissimulation say otherwise: "To disguise (one's intentions, for example) under a feigned appearance." Wikipedia even calls it a form of deception: "Dissimulation is a form of deception in which one conceals the truth." So it's deception by a fancy name?
20. #7 Really?
Bryan ,   Beer Sheva   (12.28.11)
The definitions I find about dissimulation say otherwise: "To disguise (one's intentions, for example) under a feigned appearance." Wikipedia even calls it a form of deception: "Dissimulation is a form of deception in which one conceals the truth." So it's deception by a fancy name?
21. #7 And what of motives?
Bryan ,   Beer Sheva   (12.28.11)
Both 16th century Jews and Muslims practiced "taqiyya" in Spain to avoid persecution. Both groups!!! But I think that's a valid reason to practice such a form of "deception." To feign peaceful intentions outwardly to Western audiences when your true aspirations are the removal of the Jewish State (as declared in Hamas Charter) is deception flat out, right? Oh, and it's not "an article about taqiyyah" as you suggest. It happens to reference the term and it's application. It's an article about deception.
22. more nukes
e andrews ,   belfast   (12.28.11)
#11 danny whenever they build nukes
23. e andrews #15 wrong on history
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (12.28.11)
We didn't 'move here'. The Arabs (from Arabia hint, hint) moved here. This has been our homeland for over 5,000 years now. How much longer before we are considered the natives?
24. #1 -Don't be foolish
SE ,   Boston, USA   (12.28.11)
They have their state ... in the Gaza Strip. Working well isn't it?
25. #17 - Did you read the article?
SE ,   Boston, USA   (12.28.11)
They want all of Israel and they won't be satisfied until they have it all.
26. clothes and my computer
e andrews ,   belfast   (12.28.11)
davorah is right again but clothes havent killed anyone and neither has my computer
27. only 10% wrong
e andrews ,   belfast   (12.28.11)
only 10% wrong the rest came into israel from diffrent nations and made room for themselves by buldozing homes own by palestains from palestine btw god didn't make buldozers either devorah
28. Deception
RC ,   USA   (12.28.11)
Does the Koran not imply Allah to be a deceiver (Surah 3:54, Wa Makaru wa makara Allah wa Allah Amkaru al Makireen.)? Other references to the plotting/deceit/scheming of Allah are Sura 7:99; 8:30, 10:21, 27:50; 13:42; 14:46; 43:79; 86:15f.; 7:100; 4:142. Unless I am wrong then they seem to just be following in his steps. Also, the Koran contradicts the salvation for humanity plan of Christ (Yahushuah) in the Holy Bible, by implying that he did not die on the cross among many other things.
29. Arab Deception
Jeff ,   USA   (12.28.11)
Belfast Man: You have no idea of what you are saying: 1 - More Jews did move to Israel, but, they were always there. Not like the Arabs that came for economic enrichment off the Jews that were settling the land. 2 - Israel may or may not have nukes, but they are purely DEFENSIVE and are there to attack, only if if Israel is attacked in that "bad neighborhood'.
30. " Until now, large parts of the international
Charlie ,   Tel Aviv   (12.28.11)
community have ignored the evidence about the Palestinian deception " because they are interested in its use against the Jewish State. As Barry Rubin pointed out, even Gingrich has noticed this and in his ABC interview said that since the 1940s the US has helped sustain the war against the state.
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