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Haredi accused of sexually harassing soldier files appeal
Aviad Glickman
Published: 30.12.11, 12:07
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31. out of the same mouth
Rica ,   Florida,USA   (12.30.11)
And so blessing and cursing come pouring out of the same mouth. Surely, my brothers and sisters, this is not right! James. 3:10
32. First apologize
Michael ,   West Jerusalem/NY   (12.30.11)
Than I'll listen to your sorry ass.
33. Not sexual harassment, just vulgar idiocy
rivkah f. ,   jerusalem   (12.30.11)
Mr. Fuchs is guilty of bad taste, vulgarity, stupidity, but NOT sexual harassment. He did not attempt to seduce Ms. Matalon, to offer her a job if she would go to bed with him, or touch her inappropriately. In the old days, he would receive a slap in the face and it's too bad that women resort to the courts for protection when we should act on our own. Real sexual harassment needs to be eliminated, this is just stupid, vulgar name calling.
34. The article is correct
William ,   Israel   (12.30.11)
Turning a curse into sexual harassment is Women's Rights run amuck.
35. #4 - keep in mind that Fuch's rights must also be respected
William ,   Israel   (12.30.11)
If the Ultra-Orthodox community prefer segregation of genders, with the blessing of their women, then it MUST be accepted. Too many times the Left has labeled themselves as the purveyor of morals, and pushed their liberal agenda on everyone else, labeling those who disagree as racists. "In their own home they can live as they like..." - shouldn't that too be extended to ALL citizens of Israel? Perhaps instead of young women with very little clothing on in Tel Aviv, we should insist they dress modesty and be naked as much as they want "in their own home"....or does it not work that way? This was a public place and Fuch's actions were wrong. But, his way of life must also be respected in a true democracy and a solution must be created. I would suggest haradi men in the back of the bus, but with large dividing sections that keep women, who sit up front, from their sight.
36. #7 - that IS the meaning of Shiksa
William ,   Israel   (12.30.11)
but the media mis-translated it and I suspect for an ulterior motive.
37. He needs to publically apologise.
Ezra ,   Sandiego USA   (12.30.11)
We don't need another Law that disallows segregation on bus seating. He just needs to stand down on that attitude of his.
38. Sexual arrasement?!?! WTF?!
Stas B.   (12.30.11)
Calling a woman a slut is sexual harassment punishable by law? We live in crazy times.... Verbally assaulting and slandering a young girl for sitting on a bus near you, is, for sure, some violation of basic human rights. And the "Father of 12" should do time for that, as is any other who thinks that the country belongs only to them.
39. 30 jabo
Avi ,   Nyc   (12.30.11)
No, I am not an effete limp wristed liberal like you that gets a lawyer for every problem. I would be happy to smash his face in. But only a fascist government prosecutes speech.
40. 19 Eli
Avi ,   NYC   (12.30.11)
Good point, however when hiloni dibs try to be "a normal" nation they end up parroting gentile nations and miss the nuance. Hence, every conflict even if both sides are the same race is "racism" and any conflict between opposite sexes is "harassment ". Maybe becoming normal also means going for 1-2 standard are deviations above the mean in IQ to the mean.
41. Discrimination
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (12.30.11)
Why are Israelis complaining about discrimination against females? According to Torah (Leviticus27:3-7) the value God put on females is only a little over half of what males go for, and when it comes to giving birth, and all the “unclean” going with it, it's 14 and 66 days if it's a girls (Leviticus:5) and 7and 33 days for boys (Leviticus:2,4). Either the State of Israel is based on Torah values, then don't complain how the Ultra Orthodox see it, or maybe it's time for separating State and religion. What kind of a God creates females in the very way that invites constant insults? Maybe being considered “unclean” is some sort of religious compliment that this shiksa doesn't understand. I can't imagine what my life would be like, if I had to live it according to some Fundamentalist Christian cult, without the protection of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. I would have been stoned to death 60 years ago. BTW, I don't care who calls me what. I know who and what I am and that's what counts in my book.
42. Good
(12.30.11)
he should never of been arrested in the first place. The women needs to respect GOD laws.
43. I agree
Shimon   (12.30.11)
Yes I Agree. He did nothing wrong. This women was the one who made the scene. She knows Men at the front women at the back. She decide to make a big scene and name for herself. If she want to be respected you respect the religious rules on the bus.
44. you talk?
fred lapides ,   orange, ct usa   (12.30.11)
that girl puts her life on thbe line for Israel and is harassed ...you sit in Brooklyn or some such place in NY and tell Israel how its women soldiers should be treated?FOOL.
45. the circumstances warrant sexual harassment
Scott ,   Beer Sheva, Israel   (12.30.11)
Just calling a woman a slut or any other name that you pass on the street is wrong, but protected under free speech. The difference here is the woman was trapped in an enclosed space & had to endure the verbal abuse from Fuchs because she refused to move as he demanded. No person has the right to bully someone else, especially in public.
46. no right!
imogen ,   S.A.   (12.30.11)
If this man felt so uncomfortable by her alledgedly "moving-closer": why didn't he just stand up & sat/stood somewhere else?? HE HAD NO RIght to call her that!! Who wants to sit close to a strange man anyway?
47. #4 - sorry, no.
William ,   Israel   (12.30.11)
What you described is not sexual harassment but rather gender discrimination. Sexual harassment is defined as unwanted sexual advances, but physically and verbally. The silly Left and over-sensitive female population are trying to make an example out of Fuchs who is guilty of nothing more than ignorance and bad manners. I refuse to see Israel devolve into the Politically Correct US where if a woman over-hears a gender-based joke, of which she was not invited to hear, it becomes sexual harassment and all parties are fired. Stupid!
48. #12 - no it's not
William ,   Israel   (12.30.11)
And it's more offensive that people like you are trying to add an emotional spin on an existing law in order to re-define it and ultimately bastardize the original laws intent.
49. #22 - just wait until the Left produce the "moral" police
William ,   Israel   (12.30.11)
next time you even look at an attractive person on the street you may be slammed to the ground and thrown in jail for the criminal you are. Soon we will all be able to freely walk naked in the streets in Israel but will be forced to wear Leftist mandated blinders on our heads lest we accidentally look in another person's direction.
50. #25 - nothing would happen in the US
William ,   Israel   (12.30.11)
because his remarks are NOT a serious offense. His bail was low because it matched the offense. It was not violent nor was it suggestive and threatening. Sorry your emotional positioning disgrees with my perspective but the law is created to keep emotional OUT of legal rulings and definitions for a reason. if you want to rely on emotion to meet out your brand of justice, go live in Gaza. They do it everyday to their women.
51. but was the statement accurate??
david ,   new york   (12.30.11)
52. He should never be able to talk again!
jason white ,   afula, israel   (12.30.11)
We should send this anti Semite and his wife and their brood out of our Jewish country. If we allow them to stay here and the 12 little fuchs have big families of their own.Well the country would get fuched up. And to think, we subsidize the breeding of these enemies of the Jewish people and the state of Israel. No more child allowances to thos that never served in the I.D.F.!
53. Haredi accused
david ,   montreal, canada   (12.30.11)
FREEDOM OF SPEECH DOSN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO SLANDER OR ACT AS AN ANIMAL.
54. HEAVY PUNISHMENTS WILL END THIS
Zimbi ,   NJUSA   (12.30.11)
IF THE RABBINATE DOESN'T
55. #9
Matt ,   Jerusalem   (12.30.11)
I can only imagine what type of person you are. How could anyone that respects other people even think that Mr Fuchs is right. What gives him the right to talk to someone like that male or female. What the soldier was doing was not against the law she also just like you say Mr fuchs was doing just going from point A to Point B. You sir are ignorant...
56. #39 Avi
BEN JABO ,   ISRAEL   (12.30.11)
I am as far from being a liberal as you are from being anyone that would have come to her rescue His right to “Free Speech” ended when he defamed her by referring to her as s slut She had every right to take him to court and ask for a financial judgment for Defamation of Character, you on the other hand would have no problem, your posts prove you don’t have any character, in fact the Chayelet has more baytzim than you
57. If not harassment...
Edward S. ,   Northbrook, IL USA   (12.30.11)
If not harassment it certainly qualifies as slander and should not be tolerated in a civil society.
58. A slob defending disgusting behavior
Ezra ,   USA ISRAEL   (12.30.11)
Gee. What a mensch. Fuchs is abhorrent and a disgrace to Judaism. An obviously uneducated thug from a radical sect; he has zero self respect who is out of touch with reality. The most pathetic thing is how this cloistered life and mentality makes such individuals socially inept and emotionally retarded, causing them to seriously violate the laws of Torah rather than keep them. Fuchs is no Jew: he's just a crooked human being, an affront to Hashem.
59. Think its all going a bit too far, but ...
meghan ,   israel   (12.30.11)
cant let them get a hold on us in our beautiful free country. We have enough to worry about and dont need a few "zealots" starting trouble.
60. offended
mikebeck6574 ,   alton usa   (12.30.11)
as a religious deferee ie coward,i imagine he was offended by a tough idf gal n intimidated as she is warrior somthing he could never be as it takes a bit of spine and of course as a religious coward and leech upon hard working for a living israeli society he and they cannot stand women who have their own voice,to end this slap these zealots and put them in their place.
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