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Will America sacrifice Israel?
Giulio Meotti
Published: 09.02.12, 11:09
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61. The second front
Zivron   (02.09.12)
The usa did not even accept jews from europe and had quotas and let six million jews and european civilians to be massacred bombed and starved let the rwandan and cambodian massacres and if necessary might or might not support israel . Thank the Almighty for the Christian Evangelists and the military industrial complex .
62. The USA needs to learn one thing ...
J Galt ,   Hidden Valley, USA   (02.09.12)
we have become the great nation we once were because of the G-d of the Children of Israel. We are falling behind in the worls because we have turned our backs upon this G-d. In fact after the warning on 09/11/01 we openly defied G-d by stating, "the bricks have fallen, we will rebuild with hewn stone ... the sycamore has been cut down, we will replant with cedars." This defiance and turning our backs as a country on G-d will not be tolerated. Our last act as a once great nation will be turning against Israel. The promise that "I will bless those that bless my people and I will curse those that curse my people" is very real. Unfortunately I believe the current holder of the office of President is about to err in a manner that will lead the USA to finding out just how real G-ds promise is.
63. The headline should be altered.
Avi ,   NYC, USA   (02.09.12)
It should say: "Will America sacrifice itself for Israel?" And as an Israeli the answer is "NO": Remember the Lavon Affair. Remember the Liberty. Remember Sabra and Shatila. Remember Pollard and the damage he caused. Remember the teachings of the Talmud in reference to gentiles.
64. Israel has only one true friend: the U.S.A.
Michael ,   California, USA   (02.09.12)
And there is little the U.S. derives from this friendship. If it was for realpolitik alone, the U.S. would embrace Arabs and dump Israel in a moment. But is isn't happening and for two reasons only: 1. Israel is a democracy; and 2. Americans still feel guilty for world war two. The second reason is fading quickly as the younger generations in America are forgetting what happened. The first reason may help keep the U.S. - Israeli friendship last longer due to the fact that the Arab world is not embracing democracy quickly. Israel is in a precarious situation since it is isolated internationally and cannot count on U.S. friendship to last very long.
65. Americans Threw Canada...
Edwin   (02.09.12)
...under the bus. They describe our oil as "dirty"---as if Saudi oil is clean! But their real "friends" are easier to kick in the ba@@s. Never mind, we can sell our "dirty" oil to China and they can continue to finance their "clean" Saudi friends.
66. You have the wrong info
Rozie   (02.09.12)
The US provides aid to Israel that is the money that Israel is provided is used to purchase American parts and amunition. So Israel does not get aid(like other countries) so they can do with it whatever they want. It is used to buy, from America, the supplies that Israel needs to defend herself.
67. Obama will sacrifice any ally
chantalle.ezer ,   Frankfurt Germany   (02.09.12)
President Obama is an upstart and he behaves accordingly. He sacrificed USA's closest and most important ally, Mubarak, and insulted the Saudi Arabian king. Israel means nothing to him or his administration. They will sponsor a giant 'Remember Israel' museum and continue. C. Ezer
68. Revealing talkbacks
Cameron ,   USA   (02.09.12)
Sparta is definitely sounding scared shitless.
69. #58 The Israelis here are real enough...
TaylorT ,   Earth   (02.09.12)
...and reflect a certain percentage of the Israeli population. They make my job easy!
70. 58--It's been pointed out to them countless times!
Cynthia ,   UK   (02.09.12)
That they make Israelis look bad seems to go over their heads. Pride always precedes a fall and will be no exception this time. It's sad, in a way, seeing how Jewish people have suffered so much at the hands of others.
71. The real reason...
manicdrummer ,   Galilee   (02.09.12)
...the United States supports Israel is because they don't want Israel to have to use nukes to defend themselves. Oil prices would spike to $600/gallon if even the threat of a nuclear confrontation hit the headlines. But that will change soon. The US has agreed on a secret deal in which the US will give Israel the heave-ho in exchange for cheap crude oil. Of course, this also means Jews in North America will not be allowed to leave North America, thus depriving Israel of a large pool of badly needed IDF recruits. Canada and Mexico will be expected to go along with this.
72. Diaspora Jews Get Here Now!!!!
Milwaukee Broad ,   Haifa, Israel   (02.09.12)
Get thee to Israel ASAP! We need you!
73. To: No. 58
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (02.09.12)
Why on earth would you think that Israel should put the interests of the United States ahead of Israel's existential interests?
74. To: Jared at No. 40
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (02.09.12)
"Goyim" is nothing more than the word for non-Jew. It is not pejorative. You should not read anything derogatory in its use. By the way, just as a matter of Jewish law, once a "goy" converts, he or she is a Jew, and the word "goy" would no longer apply.
75. To: No. 70
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (02.09.12)
You have unwittingly nailed the problem. It is precisely because of the suffering of the Jewish people that Israel looks to its own existential interests ahead of the mundane interests of any other country, and because we have a long and sad experience of countries turning their heads while Jews die in vast numbers. Chalk it all up to past experience. We know that we cannot trust anyone, because we have been abandoned so often. Meaningless words; empty promises -- why should Israel and/or the Jewish people believe anything ANYONE says?
76. The God of Israel will defeat Israels enemies !
who cares   (02.10.12)
Israel - you must NOT fear, for your God is with you and will deliver you from your enemies !
77. So Israel bombs Iran
Matt   (02.10.12)
You have to listen to what Iran says and why they say it, cancer, chemotherapy, nuclear bomb. What Iran believes is that underlying hatred of the Jews, is tactical approval for their objective. They see the weak stance of the world as tactical support because they have made clear in public what they seek to do. Hitler thought the same thing. Obama after withdrawing from Iraq keeps wanting to prevent an attack, when in the end an attack is going to happen and the Iranians are building cruise missiles like candy. He is not going to have a 5th fleet left. (The fact Israel waited from 2005 to the withdrawal in my opinion shows loyalty to the US and US interests. The fact that before the spat last 2 years over a strike and planning, wikileaks etc. That Israel had adopted US concerns into their plan, straits of Hormuz, Saudi fields, the US outed the Saudi's via wikileaks and then the use of the merchant ships). Dick Cheney you can bomb Iran to save yourselves, but US interest must be protected to the best of your ability. That is what made the Israel operation in the east so very complex, it was achievable. That is why the US is never going to use the military option and Israel will have to act alone. Because Obama now that Iraq is out of the way is allowing the Iranians to build up capabilities that will hurt the 5th fleet. Iran talks a lot of crap about capabilities, but credit where credit is due those cruise missiles are top notch, beautiful, see the kickback.
78. assimilation
cristian ,   argentina   (02.10.12)
usa obviously is the best israel ally where the guns and weapons,money,porn,gossip, vanity and ego comes,i have been in usa and they got many good things but behind the scenes they got the worst of human nature and as almost every jew live or used to live in usa they assimilate their habits and ways of life
79. ego
cristian ,   argentina   (02.10.12)
there is a word which defines usa ego and vanity,usa call themselves america as the whole continent and they are not america they are north america,america is south and central america too but their superiority over others show the vanity and lead israel to the same way
80. To #76: Is that really so?
Avi ,   NYC, USA   (02.10.12)
Having faith is good. Making rash decisions believing that God will save you at the last minute is ridiculous at best. The assumption that God will always protect us has been tested repeatedly during Jewish history, with dismal results. Remember the first and second temples? Remember Auschwitz?
81. To #68: And it's not even Sparta...
Avi ,   NYC, USA   (02.10.12)
...but rather Disneyland.
82. To: No. 71
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (02.10.12)
Are you, by chance, related to Keith Moon or Ginger Baker?
83. to # 51
Tina ,   USA   (02.10.12)
sarah, I understand your anger. I can not speak for any other american. nor can I name one who has died for Israel. but I can tell you that I would fight and die for the jewish people. they are Gods people and he said "I will bless those that bless my people and I will curse those that curse my people" and I for one belive that. I have always defended the jewish when others have said things that where bad about them. most of them don't even know any jewish people. I have never understood the hatred, but have see it and it make no since.(WHY?) I don't know many but the few i have known have always been kind. I understand your anger just by looking at history around the world. so many hateful things said and done (WHY?) I don't know what my Gov. will do, my hope is they will stand with Israel. you do have friends here and if the need is for friends of Israel to come and fight MY GUN AND LIFE IS YOURS!!! and i don't say that lightly. may God be with you. PS. although I might need help getting there(unemployed,LOL)
84. Response to#34
John R ,   NYC USA   (02.10.12)
US military aid is 1/3 of Israel's entire military budget and amounts to about $ 3 billion dollars.Three quarters of it is required to be spent buying the latest technology US weapons which are obviously free to Israel but not to the US taxpayer. Hence our gift frees up money so Israel can build illegal West Bank settlements. One quarter of our money is direct grants to Israel's arms industry. That creates Israeli jobs. We could obviously sell an additional $10 billion a year in arms to the Saudis but the US congress prevents that because of AIPAC. That would produce far more US jobs with no cost to the US taxpayer. The Israeli arms industry actually competes with America (Israel is the 8th largest arms exporter in the world). Israel sold its drone technology to China even though General Dynamics complained some its its technology was used in those drones. The US vetoes in the UN have prevented a worldwide economic embargo which would have crippled Israels economy. Our foreign policy has suffered as a result. You are an arrogant idiot.
85. Will US support Israel?
Syd Chaden ,   Palermo Calif USA   (02.10.12)
Until the 2012 election, Israel is the best friend that Obama ever had, and has his undying support. After the election, if Obama wins, make room under the bus. Obama needs Jewish contributions and votes to be reelected. As history has shown, Israel can't rely on any other country for its survival. It has to wage that war itself, before Iran has a nuclear weapon capability.
86. #39 Ahmad is palestinian, I am Yerushalmi and you live in
Yossef   (02.10.12)
Brooklyn. So, we know better than you what we mean by "integrate the middle-east". Nothing is more boring that the ordinary jewish anti-arab racism, except perhaps the ordinary arabic anti-jew racism. In J'lem we live side by side Jews and Arabs, and you know what ? I like that !
87. #54 john
solomon ,   bklyn   (02.10.12)
I have just read a really, really gross distortion of history, and it is your post. UNGAR 181 was for partition, to which Israel is grateful. However, as the arabs rejected it and attacked, Israel exists because of its strong self defense. UNGAR 181 became moot. The US recognized Israel only because of Truman. Israel was grateful, but still would have continued to exist without it. Note that the Russians also recognized Israel, as did many other countries. You speak of the Security Council condemning Israel for "illegal" behavior. The UNHRC has now taken on that role. Condemnation from one is just as bogus as condemnation from the other. Of course you believe Sheikh Mohammed; you also believe that the 2 wars resulting from 9/11 is Israel's fault. Where did you get that one?! (I already know: In the arab press.) "Every country in the world" are words that always end with someone's wishful thinking. In this case, your own. Your post is nothing more than a gross distortion of history and a whitewash of arab behavior. Arabs do not want to make peace but they are experts at distorting reality, and you follow right along. Who attacked whom and how many times? Who threatens whom with being pushed into the sea? Who took over the land by conquest with Mohammed? Who came in the early 1900's because the Jews improved the economy? Who came in 1948 when Jordan needed arabs to lay 'claim' to the land after the Jews were kicked out. Who invented themselves after the ’67 war? Study the reality of what happened, not your wishful thinking. Then post.
88. #58: It's unfair to judge Israelis by the posts here, but..
esnuffnstl ,   USA   (02.10.12)
...there are many people who do just that. After reading these types of posts, some people who were once unquestioning in their support of Israel begin to question it. Some people who were once neutral begin to lean toward the Palestinians. And it gives additional ammunition to those who hate Israel. Like I said, it is unfair to do so and most people don't do it, but there are certainly some who do. And, yes, fair or not it does the pro-Israeli cause no good.
89. #75--The 'problem' is YOU
Cynthia ,   UK   (02.10.12)
90. #23 - Thank you - I concur
Max ,   USA   (02.10.12)
If Israel is an ally - ACT LIKE AN ALLY!! Going off half cocked all the time is tiresome and counter-productive. I'm hoping this is just middle eastern chest thumping. I'm also hoping that Israelis know that this not the time to start World War 3 - the U.S. is war-weary and broke. Another expensive middle eastern war would probably crash our economy and most of the world's economy. Maybe not China though. And you are right about Obama just doing what every american president has done before him. All these right wingers freak out because he's black and has an islamic first & middle name. What's funny is really how right of center he is. Ironically, the president who had the strictest foreign policies regarding Israel was George H.W. Bush. I think Iran is hurting really badly economically- that's why there's all this aggressive rhetoric. Allow the pressure to take it's toll, Create division between the iranian middle class and the ayatollahs. The iranian people themselves have to see the the Iranian "Islamic Republic" model doesn't work. Change in Iran has to come from within. Jews are an ancient people but a fairly new nation - I hope that all these issues are just growing pains. 30 years ago Iran was Israel's silent ally - and maybe in 30 years will be an ally agaiin.
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