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Rabbis laud 'conversion therapy' doc
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 12.02.12, 14:54
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1. Firbidden to be gay.
Efraim ,   Baltimore   (02.12.12)
2. It's called brainwashing.
Henry from New York ,   USA   (02.12.12)
If you do enough of it you could convince a straight man he's gay, anyone that red is blue, or a white man that he is black. I once saw one of these converted LGBT people preaching near my uni. He was basically preaching that history had shown the white man was superior to all darker races. I can't help but to wonder if this therapy didn't damage his cowardly mind. Don't force your own brand of "salvation" on a person who doesn't want it. If a person's born LGBT and they're happy with who they are, then don't try and change them.
3. It is very comforting to see...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (02.12.12)
that people with different opinions,are trying to learn from each other s experiences and to reach an agreement that satisfies everybody. Kol Hakavod. if this is possible in such a sensitive matter,i am very optimistic, regarding the realisation of Israel, Am Ahad.
4. Gay institutions may be obstacle here
David ,   Shilo Israel   (02.12.12)
There has been such a long standing 'loud & public' proclamation to legitimize homosexuality from many organizations, that imprisoning someone to a 'gay' tag might well serve someone's interests. It's almost like locking someone into a political or religious camp. As one grows up sexual experimentation can change, as well as sexual orientation. There could well be cases of extreme orientation, but the very question of human creation cannot be readily dismissed in this argument. No matter where one stands, we survive through natural recreation, even with medical assistance. Therefore, unless one wishes to see the end of the human race, one should appreciate that there is a natural order at play here. Accordingly, one should be allowed subtle assistance to ensure that sexual experimentation does not become a trap for one's natural rights to play a part in the continuation of the human race, and more importantly to at least have a chance to fully realize the love between a man & woman in the process. However, I'm not sure just how human some of these human rights activists really are? I suspect that many gay rights organizations are more concerened with public exhibitionism than the genuine welfare of those who they wish to keep locked up under a gay tag.
5. what we will cure tomorrow?
Ze'ev ,   Nbg, germany   (02.12.12)
Women from singing or being equal? Maybe we should make a law, that everyone not sharing our tiny view has to get cured?^^
6. Still fail to understand why rainbow
actual color = brown   (02.12.12)
Now don't tense up on me !
7. Israel remains half a century behind the West...
TaylorT ,   Earth   (02.12.12)
...but equal with much of the Arab/Muslim world. You all should be proud of yourselves!
8. #7 - How do you figure that?
Henry from New York ,   USA   (02.12.12)
You made a strange statement without an explanation.
9. 7 Taylor WE ARE!
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (02.12.12)
10. Efraim #1
Abie Dee ,   New York, US   (02.12.12)
What a stupid statement...obviously made by a person who has no clue what it is to be born gay...yes, you read right...born that way, created by GD that way...but interpreted by people who believe that two verses in the bible are all they need to know....GD gave you a brain...it's a pity when it's not used.
11. we are here and we are queer
twice blessed ,   Toronto/Eilat   (02.12.12)
viva Israel
12. #10 and 11 - Recommended for truth.
Henry from New York ,   USA   (02.12.12)
Though only for the part of #10's comment before the last part which includes an unnecessary attack. The idea is to be better than those who yell slurs and insults against LGBT people, not to act like them.
13. #10 So where is the 3rd verse in the Bible that says
"Momma says Stupid ,   is as stupid does"!   (02.12.12)
"Just in case Adam doesn't like the woman Eve I have created for him, I'll go ahead and create Steve for him. That way I will condone an alternative lifestyle for him and look upon that lifestyle with joy and Bless it".??? Or how about the 4th verse that would say "Just in case Eve doesnt' like the man Adam who is her husband, I will create Eva for her. She too will have an option for an altenative lifestyle that I will look upon with joy and Bless it".??? Or how about adding a 5th verse which would say " I give them all my blessing to mutilate their perfect created bodies that I shaped and formed out of all my wisdom, so that they can do a nip/tuck operation to remove what I have given them to look and be like a man, or to add man made materials to make them look like a man or a woman. After all, I G-d who is the creator do not know what is best for the creation, but the creation knows what is better for them than I the creator know." Yeah, just like I thought. You will never find it unless your own vain imagination puts it in there. Your inflated argument of your rebellious mind is null and void and just full of hot air. G-d gave YOU a brain darlin, and it really is a pity that you have not used it!
14. #2Let me ask u a question.If a person become a transvestite
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by means of an operation because they feel that they were not given the "Right" body at birth, or they feel the were "Born gay", why do they spend the rest of their lives having to take female hormone supplements to keep male testosterone from becoming to the fore front of their make up, or if a woman has an operation to have her parts replaced so she looks like a man and has to take shots of male testosterone to keep her looking like a man. I mean if they were truly born gay, why are they having to take man made things to keep them looking that way? Do you take your dog to the vets to get cat hormone shots because your dog thinks that it was really born to be a cat? So simply put, if gays were Born to be gay, why do they spend all their time, money, and energy to change their appearance that they had at birth? That dog don't hunt no more man. That argument just doesn't hold up under the most basic and elementary scrutiny. Turn the page and move on!@
15. #14 - You are confusing transgender with homosexuals
Henry from New York ,   USA   (02.12.12)
A transgender person feels that the body they were born into doesn't suit their gender. A homosexual person just likes people of a different gender. Most don't change anything about their physical appearance. Many behave in a masculine manner and wear the same clothes (well maybe not the same, for whatever reason gay dudes really know how to dress with style). Some behave in a feminine manner and also like people of the same sex. They are both transgender and homosexual then. If you consider every homosexual the same as a transgender person, it's like considering every Middle Easterner a Persian or Arab. Please make sure you know the difference between these two before trying to make a point that will fall flat.
16. #13 - You are going based off the idea that God wrote the
Henry from New York ,   USA   (02.12.12)
Bible. How are you certain that he did?
17. What proof have gays that they...
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (02.12.12)
are BORN that way?
18. #17 - Not to be disagreeable, but what proof have others
Henry from New York ,   USA   (02.12.12)
that they aren't? I'm not sure if there's a "gay gene" of some sort, though. One may be found at some point.
19. #15 - Likes people of the same gender is what I meant/
Henry from New York ,   USA   (02.13.12)
I am off my game today!
20. #17 Ora trust me i was born this way
Gadi ,   Ramt Gan   (02.13.12)
Hello Ora, i am a gay man, i guess you find that a bit shocking. I knew i was gay from an early age, i am not physically attracted to women what so ever, i have nothing against women some of my best friends are women. A hetrosexual person cannot understand what it is to be gay. Being gay is not just about sex its also about love, respect and partnership. I lead a happy life with my partner and 2 children, we strive to be good people and work hard to help others and support many charities, SO please try to to judge us based on a religious belief that we do not share Because of hatred much from religious people a lot of young gays commit suicide, words can kill. 3 years 2 young people were murdered in cold blood in tel aviv why? because they are gay. Maybe you should take time to meet someone who is gay, i think you might be pleasenetly suprised we dont have horns or a tail ,you might just meet the best friend a girl could wish for. Live and let live, .
21. # 17 ORA !Do people chose to be right handed or left handed
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (02.13.12)
they have no control over what they are,a study was done on a group of children boys and girls, age,3-4 they were given toys to play with,fire trucks,dolls,years later the experts were right on their predictions 80 %,based on what kind of toy the boys and the girls picked up, but to grant the homosexuals a right to marry is insane,how about people marrying their pets ?.or even a tree they grow up with, and are emotionally attached to,the problem with the homosexuals,is that, before, they were in the closet,now they trying to force the heterosexuals into the closet,heterosexuality will have to go underground,it will be forbidden by law.
22. How horrific!
Daniel ,   Tel Aviv   (02.13.12)
Most psychological journals and modern practices completely disagree with Israel's latest concept. These efforts were tried in the past and only caused damage. Torah and mental health are not exclusive of each other but conversion therapy has always been demonstrated to do harm. Imagine what the outcry would be if gay therapists tried such therapy on straight clients. This would be considered wrong. Why through any stretch of the imagination is it not considered wrong to use such methods on gay people?!
23. G-d made Adam & Eve NOT Adam & Steve!!!!
Yerach ,   Jerusalem,Israel   (02.13.12)
24. #23 Yerach , God also made me and im gay
Gadi ,   Ramat Gan   (02.13.12)
Or do hetrosexuals have the monopoly on God ? Sorry but as a gay man i disagree with you, being gay is not a life style choice ( unlike religion) it is a persons sexual orientation. Iam not a devient, i am not physically or mentally handicap i am entitled to love and be loved and live my life. I strive to be a good person, i do not steal , lie or cheat and do what i can to help others. I have a long term partner for over 10 yrs and we have 2 wonderful children. Im sorry if my being offends you in anyway, we are not a threat to the institute of marrriage, we just want equal rights under the law which are afforded to straight couples. Gay people are in every aspect of life, your managers, your doctors, your dentist, your lawyer we design your houses and the dresses your wife wears :-)
25. Reversed sex therapy never works
American Sabrah ,   Israel   (02.13.12)
It may work for some but its not something we should force upon anyone else. In most functional societies, one is encouraged to fall in love, get married, and procreate. Its understandable why some people might find it upsetting if a person comes out of the closet and decides that he/she has SSA (same sex attraction). I accept homosexuals as people like us but not when they force us to be tolerant of their lifestyle by trying to legalize homosexual marriage etc. If you don't like religious imposition, then you should have the same consideration towards us and not coerce us into embracing something we find depraved and abominable. That's why I am in favor of the "don't ask; don't tell" policy. What goes on in the bedroom should stay in the bedroom.
26. #24 - Shameful.
Henry from New York ,   USA   (02.13.12)
After ten years you should marry that man already! It's worth a trip to Cyprus, mate! :D Congratulations on not letting other peoples' bigotry get in the way of you and your family's happiness. (and yes the Subject was purposefully misleading)
27. #25 - There's more to marriage than just titles and names.
Henry from New York ,   USA   (02.13.12)
It also gives you quite a few rights and benefits from the state. They just want equal treatment for the law. It seems like a reasonable request, especially if they do IDF service (like my beloved best friend who is a lesbian).
28. Marriages of convenience
zivron   (02.13.12)
Marriages of convenience between lgbt couples have been for milenia the british royal family is well known for it and has adultery enmasse as well.Its a choice sort of valid as many . Celibacy in the lgbt marriage except for procreation is obtainable its not easy by any means but its a right to choose .
29. Conversion therapy
Bertram ,   London, UK   (02.13.12)
I have heard that it is possible to find a cure for religious fundamentalism. I am sceptical about this, myself and, in any case, I do believe that one should be able to hold to any religious orientation, as long as it is not forced upon others.
30. Must you be an idiot to be a rabbi?
Sidney ,   USA   (02.13.12)
This question is settled in most of the civilized world.
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