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'One-state solution' campaign promoted in West Bank
Elior Levi
Published: 07.03.12, 00:22
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31. A new dialogue
Sam M ,   UK   (03.07.12)
A bi-national state really? How about a multi-national state in syria with equality for kurds and other minorities or a similiar arrangement in lebanon to include palestinian 'refugees' who live in abject poverty and are subject to institutionalised racism. The problem with your suggestion quite apart from the fact that The Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people is that tolerance, power sharing, democracy and all the other essential elements that would be required are alien concepts to the muslim world and it wouldn't be long before islamic radical or arab nationalists tried to take over. Jordan though has all the making of a bi-national state for palestinians and the bedouin minority. This makes far more sense then more years of misery and false hopes for palestinians pursuing yet another unobtainable objective which would if it ever came to pass would only result in more war and conflict. The return of palestinian refugees to Israel by the way is a complete non starter and will never happen so just forget about it. Either remain in the west bank and live peacefully in your mini cantons or city states or go to jordan and create a new bi-national palestinian/bebouin state. It’s time to open up the dialogue which could bring you freedom from an ideological and religious straitjacket. Palestinian are just pawns in the islamic world’s hatred for the Jewish people.
32. One nation alone, ISRAEL , there is no palestine
Bad Ased Jew ,   United States   (03.07.12)
there are no other legitimate people other than the Jews of historic Israel, period. Jerusalem will be her undivided capitol, once obama the muslim is voted out in nov. VOTE ROMNEY A TRUE FRIEND TO ISRAEL.
33. One state solution based on paying Arabs to leave.
Chaim ,   Israel   (03.07.12)
Israel belongs to the Jewish people. Judea and Samaria are our more than 3,500 year old ancestral heartland. The solution is very simple. We need a one state solution based on paying Arabs to leave our land. Polls have consistently shown, for decades, that most Arabs want to leave Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Even without Israeli compensation, Arabs are leaving Judea and Samaria by the tens of thousands annually. With fair compensation, we could solve the problem within a few years. Israel's energy revenues can facilitate the solution. Paying Arabs to leave is a one time investment with permanent returns.
34. If you think Jordan is so great
Samer ,   West Bank   (03.07.12)
How about the Jewish leave the lands and go live in Jordan instead and make it the new Israel. Us Palestinians will stay on our lands in our own homes here in Palestine. We were here before all the Jewish came from Russia and Europe to our lands.
35. #38 Chaim, you are beating a dead horse
Nour ,   One-State   (03.07.12)
Remember the old Palestinian woman near Yatta who was offered millions in return of her land? She's there now, hasn't sold, and will never leave. Nor will her children.
36. Lots of space for arabs in S Arabia
Joe ,   Boston USA   (03.07.12)
Lots of space for Jews in Poland and Russia too. You know, where they come from
37. #3 arabs to saudi arabia
barney   (03.07.12)
Anna, out of interest what happens if Saudi Arabia doesn't agree to this (forced ?) deportation of Palestinians from the West Bank ?
38. One state is inevitable
Allen ,   USA   (03.07.12)
Israel can only blame itself for this obvious solution because of the settlements of the West Bank a two state solution is not feasible. If a secular democratic state was good enough for South Africa it is good enough for Israel and Palestine. I cannot see any reason to oppose the inevitable. Does anyone think for a second that such a state would be controlled or overrun by the Palestinians? Given that Israel and Jews have created a modern industrial state they would lead and the Palestinians would be playing catch up. I think it is a brilliant idea! Imagine the possibilities as the whole region will be transformed with this new state leading the way. I also think that it will end the rampant Islamic fundamentalism because Israel would cease to be the object of their hate. Peace, Shalom, Salaam!
39. To: No. 34
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.07.12)
The focal point of Jewish existence for thousands of years before any Arab invaders showed up in Israel has been Jerusalem. Jerusalem is Israel's eternal, undivided capital. But if it's longevity that floats your boat, must I remind you yet again that the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah were the home of the Jewish people before the word "Arab" was ever invented? You have Mecca and Medina; we have Jerusalem. If you don't like that arrangement, please feel free to leave Medinat Israel at any time. Besides, you're a Jordanian citizen, and once Israel annexes Judea and Samaria, we're going to send you home to Jordan. Whether you want to go or not is entirely irrelevant; there is no place in the Jewish state for violent troublemakers and illegal aliens.
40. To: No. 35
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.07.12)
Jaffa isn't the West Bank, chica.
41. To: No. 36
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.07.12)
Jews come from Medinat Israel. Forced dispersion by invading conquerers does not change that. For thousands of years, Jews have prayed for the peace of Jerusalem, hoped for "next year in Jerusalem" and faced Jerusalem to pray. Unless you are a native American, whose land invading Europeans stole, when are you planning to return to your ethnic homeland?
42. To: No. 37
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.07.12)
Ersatz "Palestinians" illegally squatting in the West Bank are citizens of Jordan, courtesy of Jordan's 1954 Citizenship Law, which granted citizenship to all West Bank Arabs, and their progeny, irrevocably. Despite repeated efforts to rescind this grant of citizenship, the Hague has consistently ruled that irrevocable is precisely that -- irrevocable. There is no need to send any ersatz "Palestinians" to Saudi Arabia (although most of the ersatz "Palestinians" come from the Hejaz in the Western Arabian desert). They are Jordanian citizens, and once Judea and Samaria are fully and formally annexed by Israel, all Jordanian citizens will be repatriated to the country of their citizenship.
43. #40 Your ignorance is telling
Nour ,   One-State   (03.07.12)
Yatta is not Yaffa... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yatta,_Hebron
44. #11 What rubbish!
Ben Alofs ,   Bangor, UK   (03.07.12)
Your claim that "1 state has not worked for the Christians in Egypt" is uninformed prejudice. I was on holiday in the Abydos, Baniana and Nag Hammadi area in the governate of Sohag and Qena for two weeks in February 2012 and witnessed how in spite of occasional news about regretful sectarian incidents whipped up by extremists on both sides, the vast majority of Egyptian christians (copts) and muslems in the numerous agricultural villages, towns and cities of the Nile valley live together in mutual respect. Every town, village and city has its churches and mosques. In Baniana a huge coptic cathedral is being built. I paid a visit to my sister who is building Abydos's first hotel with her local Egyptian partner. The builders on site are a mix of copts and muslems. I asked about religious tensions. They do exist, like in the Assiyut area. But the fact is that the vast majority of Egyptians respect each other and their religion. You only hear news when there is a sectarian incident. It is much less likely to hear anything about people living in harmony as I witnessed it during my two weeks holidya in Abydos. That is normal life in Egypt. Sectarian incidents are regretful exceptions.
45. Sarah B
Jonathan ,   MN/US   (03.07.12)
Read all of it In his book entitled Citizenship and the State: A Comparative Study of Citizenship Legislation in Israel, Jordan, Palestine, Syria and Lebanon published in 1997, author Uri Davis states that: The implementation of the Jordanian disengagement from the West Bank is regulated by the Statement of the Jordanian Prime Minister Zaid-al-Rifai of 20 August 1988. Article (2) of the statement stipulates that: "Every person residing in the West Bank before 31 July 1988 is considered a Palestinian, not a Jordanian citizen." However, there was no State of Palestine to issue Palestinian citizenship in lieu of the nullified Jordanian citizenship; the State of Palestine exists only on paper. Thus the mass population of the West Bank was transformed overnight by a Royal Decree of fakk al-irtibat into a stateless population. In the name of Arab unity of course. Until the dismantling of the legal and administrative links with the West bank in 1988, there was one universal Jordanian citizenship under the Jordanian Citizenship Law for all Jordanians throughout the Kingdom (including the Palestinian population in the Israeli-occupied West Bank). With the Royal Decree of dismantling the links, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan ceded sovereignty to a fiction, a non-existent State of Palestine, and thereby stripped the Jordanian citizenship of all Palestinians whose registered ordinary residence is the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, making them stateless. Under the terms of the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-government Arrangements signed by the Government of Israel and the PLO five years later in September 1993, Palestinian citizenship will not come into existence before 1998, if at all (1997, 76). In 23 December 2001 correspondence, a researcher on statelessness in the Arab world at the Palestinian Refugee and Diaspora Centre (SHALM) in the West Bank city of Ramallah and the American University in Cairo stated that: Palestinians ... are not entitled to ask for a Jordanian citizenship. The claim given by Jordan is under the 1969 Casablanca agreement of the Arab league, Palestinian people should keep their identity and should only get some facilities in their travel and daily life. No citizenship could be given to the holders of a two year passport unless: – married to a man holder of a Jordanian passport (women in Jordan, like most of the Arab countries cannot pass on their citizenship to their husbands nor to their children) – In case of having an abundant amount of money, a clean record at the Security services and some connections at the ministry of interior the application may be considered ... this is a capricious issue that is extremely violated in the Arab world in general. I may need to clarify to you that holders of a five year passport holding a green card (as West bank residents) are like the Gazans, holders of a two year passport ... the passport is just a travel document and in most of the cases, it is not recognised. It gives its holders minimal rights in Jordan. In subsequent 2 January 2002 correspondence, the researcher stated that Uri Davis' book entitled Citizenship and the State: A Comparative Study of Citizenship Legislation in Israel, Jordan, Palestine, Syria and Lebanon (see above) "sums up the situation." According to the Consular Section of the Embassy of Jordan in Ottawa, Palestinians from the West Bank who are not living in Jordan cannot claim Jordanian citizenship (26 Nov. 2001). In short Sarah, your a liar, and a bad one.
46. #42 is either poorly informed or trying to mislead readers
Ben Alofs ,   Bangor, UK   (03.07.12)
King Abdullah, who in 1948 connived with the Zionist movement, tried to annex the Westbank area to the Kingdom of Transjordan, set up by the British. King Hussein, Abdullah's grandson, tried a similar process. During his reign Westbank Palestinians could acquire Jordanian passports, which they needed for travel etc. But you omitted to mention that King Hussein in 1988 gave up all claims to the Westbank bowing to the claims of the Palestinian people and the PLO leadership. Your claim that the Palestinians are from the Hejaz, is either an indication of how uninformed you are, or a deliberate misleading of the readers. All the Palestinians before 1948 lived on the west side of the Jordan river, in Palestine. At that time Trans Jordan was populated mostly by Bedu tribes, who were led by the Hashemites, who played an important role in the Arab Revolt against the Ottoman occupation and did come from the Hejaz. The British paid for their services by creating the Kingdom of Transjordan for Abdullah, one of the sons of Sherif Hussein of Mecca, the grand leader of the Arab Revolt. The indigenous people of Palestine played a relative small roll in the Arab Revolt. Finally your claim of "ersatz Palestinians illegally squatting in the Westbank", because they supposedly are Jordanian citizens is as hiliarious as it is stupid. No government in this world, apart from Israel, recognises the presence of Israeli colonies in the Westbank and East Jerusalem as legal. The whole world recognizes that the Palestinian population in the Westbank is there by right. I see that you refer to the Hague!!! I would check out the Hague Conventions if I were you. Are you a lawyer of just a phony one?
47. Try FREEDOM&MULTIDIVERSITY in the many Arab/Muslim countries
Jerry ,   The Netherlands   (03.08.12)
48. Mapam and Beitar
Zivron   (03.08.12)
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49. 45
john Darren ,   cairns-Australia   (03.09.12)
Are you really calling Sarah B a bad liar?Oh my!
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