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B'Tselem: Rise in number of civilians killed in conflict
Elior Levy, AFP
Published: 21.03.12, 13:18
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1. Do you suppose ....
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (03.21.12)
.... that the number of ersatz "Palestinian" casualties might -- just MIGHT -- be attributable to increased terrorist and violent activities engaged in by the ersatz "Palestinians?" Stop the violence; stop the terror; the numbers will drop dramatically. Don't stop the violence; don't stop the terror -- and expect the numbers to increase. Given the degree of force that the IDF CAN -- if it so desires -- bring to bear against ersatz "Palestinian" terrorists, I think the numbers are testimony to Israel's extraordinary patience and tolerance. After all, how many countries would respond to a two-day missile barrage as mildly as did Israel? How many countries put down violent rioters with pepper spray, rubber bullets and tear gas? Just have a look at other countries in the Middle East, where deadly force is invoked with nary a thought! Yes, you can pursue the argument that Israel has a higher regard for human life -- but then you must answer the question why would Israel be interested in continuing to use kid gloves when dealing with violent, rioting, aggressive terrorist elements in its midst? If we're that much more sophisticated and tolerant, oughtn't we recognize the primitive and backward qualities of those who wish us harm and pray for our destruction, and simply excise the problem in its entirety? After all, who needs such violent and primitive elements in the gene pool? B'Tselem may not realize it -- they probably do not, in fact -- but their report simple speaks of Israel's humanity and high regard for human life in the face of the bloodthirsty and primitive lot that surrounds us. Israel isn't going anywhere. For that matter, short of emerging every now and then to remain a VERY safe distance from the action, I note for the record that the members of B'Tselem retreat every evening to their very comfortable high-end existence in Israel's most comfortable neighborhoods. What a pack of frauds and phonies! You don't see any of them packing up and moving to Ramallah, do you? Words are easy -- but you don't see the members of B'Tselem voting with their feet, do you? Don'[t hold your breath, either.
2. Some education in research education
Dan ,   Canada   (03.21.12)
Wont hurt to betzelem. Tying all escalation in numbers of casualties to "continuing occupation" is blatant lie, and in conflict with foundation of statistics. Where are other factors, such as radicalization, improving human shielding techniques, rise in shahada -awareness and it's encouragement on all levels? Plus to that, gaza is a place of free people, that are living in the mode of self determination by all means. They are determined to spend their time and efforts in very particular way, and hence -higher numbers of casualties, associated with higher number of militant attacks in general, coming from this direction? I love to see the "painted target" exercise by this organization, with never changing conclusion they drive from their " scientific statistics" exercise.
3. Civilians involved in terror = more 'civilian' casualties
Charles   (03.21.12)
Whaddaya expect, Sherlock?
4. A bargain
Dshap ,   Miami, USA   (03.21.12)
The Arabs set the value of one Jewish life at 1:1,027. If the articles report of deaths is correct, there were 11 Israelis killed by arab terrorists and 116 arabs killed. Based on the formula established by hamas and hailed by abbas and his pa as a just trade, the numbers should be 11,297 dead arab terrorists for the 11 murdered Israelis.
5. Brilliant post by Sarah B #1
Ken Jurist   (03.21.12)
You said it perfectly. There's nothing to ad except, If Israel acted like B'tzelem wants Israel to act, Israeli's will be speaking in Arabic and living under Sharia law.
6. If Palestinians would stop terror there would be less dead
(03.21.12)
ON BOTH SIDES!
7. Executions
Paul   (03.21.12)
The most disturbing part in this report is the number of executions. One more reason not to grant them a state at all. Does the world really need another barbaric country that executes their population? very worrying and I don't understand why human right groups close their eyes to that. They complain about the number of detainees by israel but no mentioning at all about executions. There is something fundamentally wrong
8. I want to see a B'Tselem report about rockets from Gaza
(03.21.12)
9. B'Tselem reports are 100% disconnected from any context!
(03.21.12)
10. 10% of the 680 rocket & mortar attacks in 2011
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (03.21.12)
We must improve to 100%. Our kills are in self-defense against terrorists launching missiles into Israel. Meanwhile how many Muslims were killed IN COLD BLOOD by Muslims in the Middle East in 2011? About 8,000 by Assad alone! Stop the propaganda and confront the REAL problem of savage Islamic barbarity.
11. B'tselem would have been called "Help Germans!" during WW2
ab   (03.21.12)
had Israel existed then.It's not sure at all Israel would be a help to Europe's Jews,its energy would be concentrated on supplying Germany with fuel and other goodies
12. B'tselem would have been called "Help Germans!" during WW2
ab   (03.21.12)
had Israel existed then.It's not sure at all Israel would be a help to Europe's Jews,its energy would be concentrated on supplying Germany with fuel and other goodies
13. B'Tselem - notorious liars
Mark Bernadiner ,   Pearland, USA   (03.21.12)
I have monitored this group for a while and found that they protect palestinian islamofascists exclusivly. There is only one reasonable explanattion for this: they are paid money for publishing fraudulent information on Israel.
14. non-combatants
(03.21.12)
There's a website ,that points out a lot these "civilians" who are killed by the IDF actually turned out to be terrorists. Google Elder of Ziyon: More of those"civilians" killed in Gaza.
15. "When the Arabs put down their weapons, peace will reign.
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (03.21.12)
But, when Israel puts down its, there will not be an Israel".
16. Just to be fair
Dahlia ,   Los Angeles USA   (03.21.12)
B'Tselem should keep track of Israelis murdered at the same period of time. Not to mention the attempted murder by Palestinian rockets which is approx 1.5 million, the exact number of residents in Southern Israel exposed to these rockets.
17. What part of Palestinian Resistance, don't you understand?
Edithann ,   USA   (03.21.12)
What part of 'they want their homes back' and are fighting back against overwhelming arms? Again, what part of Palestinian Resistance don't you understand? TATA
18. B'Tselem - islamonazi collaborators
Mark Bernadiner ,   Pearland, USA   (03.21.12)
I checked B'Tselem financial sponsors; all are fiece enemies of Israel and Jews, that pay B'Tselem for publishing fraudulent information on Israel. B'Tselem, publishing fake information, is responsible for death of Jews around the world.
19. May be #16 can explain
Dahlia ,   Los Angeles USA   (03.21.12)
how does the murder and attempted murder of peaceful civilians qualify as "resistance"? If the Palestinian terrorists want "back" the "homes" they didn't have in first place, they should fight IDF, not slitting the throats of 3 month old babies.
20. does B'tzelav identify who starts the conflicts?
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (03.21.12)
They are a front for the Arab loving and Jew hating people of the world, dedicated to bringing shame on the innocent and pushing the Arab agenda. Why should anyone take notice of them?
21. #17 When Native Americans attack your "American" home...
(03.22.12)
with molotov cocktails/rockets...I DO hope you show restraint. What part of Native American Resistance don't you understand? ...or is there a statute of limitations on these things? Unlike Jews in Israel, you have ZERO historical claim to America. Go back to Europe or wherever you came from, Occupier.
22. Fogel family picture alongside Gaza civilian headline=Ashton
L ,   Merkaz, Israel   (03.22.12)
You are trying to illustrate her "point" -- by releasing this "news" (months after this report was released) davka on the day of the funeral for our murdered fellow-Jews from France. You couldn't wait even a day after the funeral to push your obvious agenda? Disgusting.
23. B'tselem taking the Navi Pillay approach
William ,   Israel   (03.22.12)
drilling down on a statistic while removing all context in order to further a less than honorable agenda. B'tselem purposely ignores the context in which civilians were killed and the constant terror that emanates from Arab areas. From their language, it would seem that if Israel left all territories, there would be no terror, ergo no dead civilians. The past 91 years has proven that theory untrue. So, if one wants to be intellectually honest, they would instead look at civilian deaths as a percentage of total deaths and military operations, including the cause of deaths. They would find that the percentage of civilian deaths has not increased, and a good number have come from terrorist operations which went wrong (qassams that fall short, "work accidents" in residential centers, civilians being taken as human shields, or just being shot by terrorists outright).
24. #17 - what part of "they started genocidal war and lost"
William ,   Israel   (03.22.12)
you don't understand? Most populations who embark on a unilateral war against another population"Idiot Day -1" and pretend like nothing happened. "palestinians" had that chance but then started another war which they lost. They had the chance again to return to normal but chose war again - which they lost. There is no "home" they can return to because most never owned their property and others were involved in aggressions and refuse to end such violence even if they do return. And check out the language of "Palestiniain" terrorists. They're not demanding their homes back, they want Jewish homes too and all Jews GONE from the land. "Resistance" is not a benign word as you make it seem. While your ilk claim it's self-defense, the rest of the world do not consider targeting civilians as meeting that definition. And with as many chances provided to make peace that were rejected, they claim of "resistance" is bullshit - and we all know it.
25. Paul quite so
Bad Assed Jew ,   United States   (03.22.12)
however, as the saying goes, "don't ignore the obvious.' The main reason you post is one of the main reasons the pals will never have a state. They have become known exclusively as terrorists, violent child killers, and like pornography there are no socially redeeming factors just old fashioned evil from a non people seeking to murder every live Jew in Israel. Hardly a qualification for statehood. Their only state will be one of confusion.
26. I like your formula. Can we do that next time?
Bad Assed Jew ,   United States   (03.22.12)
The less of the pals the better. Maybe they should move and save themselves an endless war they can never win but, never stop trying?
27. I like your formula. Can we do that next time?
Bad Assed Jew ,   United States   (03.22.12)
The less of the pals the better. Maybe they should move and save themselves an endless war they can never win but, never stop trying?
28. Resistance my ass Terror is the word, idiot.
Bad Assed Jew ,   United States   (03.22.12)
the mindless drones, the pals, live to commit murder. Israel was there long before the invention of the pals an 'invented non people.' There will never be a pal state.
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