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A lesson on Jerusalem
David Ha'ivri
Published: 27.04.12, 14:57
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1. This is an empty lesson
Israeli   (04.27.12)
I expected a list of claims against Israel on how Arabs are treated and each one discredited to show the apartheid claim does not apply. Yes, there is freedom of movement, rights to education, services, etc. but if you are an East Jerusalem Arab and non-Israeli citizen, you are in a precarious situation when it comes to residency rights, there is not enough water infrastructure or sewage in many areas of East Jerusalem, little road maintenance, little beautification. Take a walk in Rehavia and Silwan and ask people what they get from the city. Very different worlds.
2. This is his response? I could have written better at 14yo
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3. Be honest David Ha'ivri
Ian   (04.27.12)
Be honest. Have a sincere heart as your father David did. Obey my laws. Obey all the commands that I give you. If you do these things, your own descendants will always rule Israel. I promised this to your father David. I said to him, “Your descendants will always rule over Israel.” But suppose that you or your sons turn away from me. Perhaps you do not obey the laws and commands that I have given to you. Then you go and worship other gods. Then I will remove Israel from the country that I have given to them. I will reject this temple as a place where people worship me. Then people will laugh at Israel and it will be like a lesson for other people. This temple is very great now. But then, people will be full of terror when they see it. They will ask, “Why did the Lord do this to the land and the temple?” People will answer. “It is because his people turned away from the Lord their God. He had brought their ancestors out of Egypt. But they worshipped and served other gods. That is why the Lord brought this disaster on them.” ’
4. HaIvri's Activities
Esser Agaroth ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (04.27.12)
1. Ask HaIvri why he has been encouraging Christians to come to the Shomron, and "help" Jews. 2. Ask HaIvri why a Christian couple is being allowed to rent a caravan in the Shomron, a caravan that should have been given to a Jewish couple. 3. Rav Shmuel Eliyahu ruled that one may not rent to arabs, qal wehomer practitioners of avodah zarah, ie. Christians (Ramba"m Hil. A"Z 9:4, 10 1-17)
5. Light rail and the British
Ed Stack ,   Boston, USA   (04.27.12)
The esteemed British newspaper, The Guardian, has reported this past week that pictures taken on the light rail in Israel's capital were taken in Israel's true capital, Tel Aviv. Please feel free to verify this story, I did. It was actually in a column on corrections to stories written in the Guardian. Give that report and the questions asked here, I have to ask what the British really know about Israel.
6. The British
ME ,   LA, CA, USA   (04.27.12)
The Britsh need to keep a stiff upper lip and keep their mouths shut. This one tiny island nation, with their collective bad brain wiring, are responsible for so much of the back stabbing and chaos the world has faced from the late 19th century onward.
7. UK:JUST TWO
tuchman,marcelo ,   RIO,BRAZIL   (04.27.12)
ONLY TWO ENGLISH LEADERS WAS FRIEND OF JEWS IN ALL TIME: WINSTON CHURCHILL AND MARGARET TATCHER. WHO CARES ABOUT WHAT CAMERON THINK?
8. Be honest David Ha'ivri
Ian   (04.27.12)
Be honest. Have a sincere heart as your father David did. Obey my laws. Obey all the commands that I give you. If you do these things, your own descendants will always rule Israel. I promised this to your father David. I said to him, “Your descendants will always rule over Israel.” But suppose that you or your sons turn away from me. Perhaps you do not obey the laws and commands that I have given to you. Then you go and worship other gods. Then I will remove Israel from the country that I have given to them. I will reject this temple as a place where people worship me. Then people will laugh at Israel and it will be like a lesson for other people. This temple is very great now. But then, people will be full of terror when they see it. They will ask, “Why did the Lord do this to the land and the temple?” People will answer. “It is because his people turned away from the Lord their God. He had brought their ancestors out of Egypt. But they worshipped and served other gods. That is why the Lord brought this disaster on them.” ’
9. Excellent! and by the way, British out of Argentina!!
hippocrates ,   earth   (04.27.12)
The falkland islands are as much yours as dallas belongs to china... Hey if i claim the moon is it mine? colonial snobs in buckingham palace
10. Jerusalem Lightrail System Apartheid ???
ltrail ,   USA   (04.27.12)
The members of Parliment of the UK should know better than to expound statements that are not true. Their very position, as representatives of the Kingdom, should press upon them to speak the truth. As a retired person who formerlly worked for a lightrail system, I know that careful planning is done to accomodate all groups within its operation. With regard to Israel, and Jerusalem, it apparently has, based upon Mr. Ha'ivri's description of the meandering route. Signs and maps, ticket machines, and public announcements are made in both Hebrew and Arabic. The baseless comments in Parliament are lies and I wonder who is making them? I suspect which group, however. Those who hate Jews and the State of Israel. I look forward to someday soon, when I will take a ride on the new Jerusalem light rail system.
11. Unless this op ed ran
babawawa ,   new york, usa   (04.27.12)
in a British newspaper, he's preaching to the choir. Complete waste of time.
12. My apartheid experience in London
Istvan ,   BUDAPEST HUNGARY   (04.27.12)
I travelled with the London metropolitan tube from Victoria station to South Kensington. All the stations, including Sloan Square between the two mentioned above, were written exclusively in english language. But the great majority of travellers were bengalis, african blacks, punjabis, chinese and all types of non british peoples. WHAT IS IT IF NOT APARTHEID ????
13. At 4
Gabriel ,   Leiden, Netherlands   (04.27.12)
Because Israel is a democratic country, which endorses equality you utter imbecile! You might as well ask why I, a Jew, am being allowed to buy property in the Netherlands. And I thought we were supposed to be smart....
14. We owe the Brits no explanation
Maurice ,   Los Angeles, USA   (04.27.12)
Jerusalem is the eternal capital of Israel. Period. It is not negotiable, no explanation needed. If they don't like it they can shove it. The Brits should be the last one to give us a lesson on anything. What a bunch of hypocrites.
15. Oxymoron
Jonny ,   Cape Town   (04.27.12)
"Elected Official" and "Intelligence"
16. UK MPs should focus on their own country
DavidM ,   USA   (04.27.12)
The British MPs ought to focus on their own country before lecturing Israel. Belfast is divided by a wall which keeps Protestants and Catholics apart. In Northern Ireland Protestants and Catholics spend their whole lives not even knowing a member of the opposite faith. The MPs have no business lecturing anyone until they solve their own problems.
17. Ian #8: What is your point?
Steve   (04.27.12)
Indeed all this came about as the prophets warned but the prophets also said Israel would be re-gathered back into our land as we see this day. Ultimately the Temple will be re-built. Only the rebuilding of the Temple and the re-gathering of the remainder of the children of Israel remains to be accomplished.
18. Ian
Edwin ,   Canada   (04.27.12)
Be very careful about your speech. A father may speak to his son in a way to correct minor flaws in his behavior. At the same time, it would be very inappropriate for someone outside the family to make a similar judgment. It is completely inappropriate for a stranger to pass comment on the Jews' relationship with their father because it could easily be taken as that person feeling superior. I am not Jewish and would never be so bold to say what you said because I know Jews are held to an entirely different standard to you or me. I believe your god may have said something about beams in the eyes of those who pass judgment on others.
19. Move Israel's London embassy to Manchester
Vlad   (04.27.12)
20. #1 Not Enough infrastructure
ltrail ,   USA   (04.27.12)
Perhaps those who live in East Jerusalem and are non-Citizens should consider their plight of water and sewer problems is because they do not pay any taxes. Taxation is the only way municipalities obtain revenue for essential services. If you begin to pay taxes, viola, land beautification and road maintenance are even possible. Think of the possibilities!
21. churchill
JEFF ,   MIAMI/JERUSALEM   (04.27.12)
churchill closed the escape route for the jews who were fleeing hitler, he refused to bomb the camps, he closed jewish palestine. the brits have always been anti-semites and still libel the Jews every chance they get
22. UK is an apartheid state
Ehai ,   London. UK   (04.27.12)
Only white anglo-saxon protestants are allowed to be head of state in the UK. One could construe this to be a racist apartheid arrangement. But to cite a railway as a tool of apartheid.... oh my God....... what will that group of anti Israel fnancially and morally bankrupt MP's think of next !! Surely they should realise it is because they have an unelected head of state tha they cannot get their head around the political management of financial services. Their ex Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, conned the country into debt and now recession. If they had abolished the monarchy after World War 2 they would be richer today. Why? Because their state would be democratically structured for proper criticism within the political establishment. Why don't they get it............. Jews are not racists. We owe allegiance to GOD......... of all humankind. The UK is full to bursting with anti Israel feeling. They are fed on it by newspapers and television. Now they are bankrupt I suspect there will be more hatred of Israel and Jews. I am sick of hearing Brits complain..."Jews are only interested in money". Actually we are more interested in GOD and perhaps it is because some people feel we can be trusted to be realistic and honest that we are successful in money. I am making aliyah next week. Honest.
23. #7 who cares what a Brazilian thinks?
(04.27.12)
Just come and clean our toilets or be our maids.
24. # 5 per person per 1000 they would know more than Americans
Ilan ,   Tel Aviv   (04.27.12)
Americans here 70% don't even have a passport...
25. #6 they are also responsible for the language you're writing
Roe Greenburg   (04.27.12)
26. None so deaf as those who refuse to hear
Shimon ,   Cincinnati, USA   (04.27.12)
Why even bother? To me, history teaches that the first (recorded) pogrom occurred in York. The same mentality exists, only now they willingly accept "the Saracens" and are afraid of them. The contributions of the Jews only show them they are not us. Maybe that's the source of the problem?
27. want$ $ion ju$t for touri$m money who care$ about $piritual?
me   (04.27.12)
28. Curiously enough ....
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (04.27.12)
.... the only people I have ever seen in the Belgravia neighborhood in London who are non-white are servants. Wouldn't that qualify Belgravia as an apartheid neighborhood?
29. To: Shimon at No. 26
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (04.27.12)
Not quite -- the first blood libel recorded occurred in York, in 1255. Probably the earliest pogroms occurred around the time of the First Crusade (1096). I'm fairly sure that the Dark Ages were not exactly a picnic for the Jewish people, either.
30. The British # 6
Elizabeth   (04.27.12)
Forget the British (Brits)! They haven't been told yet that they are still alive. They don't have much left of what once was GB.... haven't you noticed the arabs have taken over. Don't let Buckinham Palace fool you any longer!
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