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Israeli group wins terror suit against Syria, Iran
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Published: 16.05.12, 07:10
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31. #12 please re-read the headline and opening paragraphs
#13   (05.16.12)
It seems that there is an issue of either a poor translation from Hebrew to English OR plain and simple poorly written English. What the article is saying is this: Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center = Israeli group from the headline. Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center filed a case on behalf of Daniel Wultz USA citizen and his father. The Israeli group = Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center won the case they filed on behalf of the Wultz family. Therefore the only ones receiving benefit from the judgment are: 1. The Wultz Family and 2. The Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center. Please note that Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center, like other law firms filing these types of suits, receives a standard 33.3% of the judgment's value plus all out of pocket expenses they spent in reprensenting the client. So I must say that you have misunderstood...in essense the judgment money goes only to one family. That family in this particular case is the Wultz family.
32. it has long ago been proven that:
#13   (05.16.12)
this type of legal action against terrorist organizations and terrorist nations DOES NOT serve as detering factor. Instead the terrorist organizations and terrorist nations hide their assets and make it well near impossible for actual collection to happen. The USA government filed suit on behalf of those murdered and injured in Lebanon in the 1980s (terrorist attacks against USA Marine Installation and the USA embassy in Beirut). Despite winning the cases no money has been collected and the USA has abandoned efforts at collection. Currently the surviving families are continuing collection efforts. The above makes it difficult for me to understand how Ms. Darshan-Leitner and her firm plan on collecting this large settlement.
33. # 24
Mike Carmel ,   Rishon le Zion   (05.16.12)
Thanks you Sarah. Such nice words. And just so you will know - my own daughter was seriously injured in a suicide bombing when she was in the army in 2003. Now YOU shut up.
34. To: No. 32
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.16.12)
No funds have actually been paid out, but funds in the United States have been impounded, while litigation continues. And efforts to collect have not been abandoned; as I said, the funds remain impounded while the lawsuits proceed. The only final ruling on any such cases has been by the U.S. Supreme Court, in which they ruled that the building which formerly housed the Iranian Embassy in the United States could not be sold to raise funds to pay any portion of settlement, because the building is the property of a sovereign nation. There are many other avenues of approach. Unfortunately, due process in the United States can take decades. In the meantime, however, the funds will be impounded based upon the Court's ruling, and the Syrians and Iranians can spend as much in legal fees as they wish in countering the decision. There are a remarkable number of American firms who represent the plaintiffs in a great many such cases, all on a pro bono basis. For the plaintiffs, it is a question of principle. For the defendants, it will be a question of releasing the impound of considerable assets. This is a first for the Syrians, but there are billions of dollars in impounded Iranian funds. I can assure you that neither the Iranians nor the Syrians are particularly happy with this decision. For them, it's all about the money. Craven, aren't they?
35. @28 oh really Sarah B., all knowing American....
(05.16.12)
really Jews all Jews even Holocaust survivor Jews and their descendents set up foundations and educational trusts and NEVER use the money privately? Pray tell what about all of those American Jewish Holocaust Survivors and their descendents who have successfully received large pay outs for works of art stolen by the Nazis? Not a one used the money for private gain? Are you sure? Or are you just going to unfurl your filthy insulting fingers in my general direction? People are people and even Jews are people so when they get money they give some to charity but they also take some for themselves. Be real!
36. 23 u r wrong go pull up the plaintiffs list for this case
a reader ,   Israel   (05.16.12)
the plaintiffs are all members of the Wultz family. They are the sole beneficiaries of this judgment.
37. To: No. 32
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.16.12)
Perhaps you should read the actual complaint, and see just who the unnamed plaintiffs are. This case was not brought just to enrich one family. You really should check your facts before you post such nonsense. Is that why you refuse to sign your name to any post?
38. $323 million only?
sk ,   USA   (05.16.12)
There is no amount that could replace life!
39. Mike. please do ignore Sarah B. and further...
#13   (05.16.12)
I trust in G-d that your daughter's injuries have healed enough for her to continue with her life. As a terror survivor myself I know how difficult the whole process can be. All goodly blessings for you and your family. Hazak u'Baruch!
40. # 39
Mike Carmel ,   Rishon le Zion   (05.16.12)
Thanks very much for your kind words. I wrote a complaint to Ynet about Sarah B. It's about time her venom was silenced.
41. and you Sarah B should learn how to speak to people....
MF ,   Israel   (05.16.12)
You may be book smart but you have zero people skills! Girl all you are getting with your nasty language and insults, is for people to dislike you because you are behaving 100% emotionally ignorant! Which is to say: We are all be sittin' here waitin' on you 2 apologize to Mike Carmel ... especially since he's a parent of a child who survived a terrorist attack and all. (And yes if someone insulted you without knowing that you are a holocaust survivor, I would be the first one to ask who ever did that to apologize to you. I don't like how you write but if someone were to hurt you I'd request that you be apologized to) Go on then, do right, woman up and apologize! (and don't even think of writin' back and correctin' my spellin' or grammar...first up apologize to Mike!)
42. #17
Hertzel ,   Tveria   (05.16.12)
look who wrote the article AP , all over the world's media the word militant is used when it comes to murdering jews, nothing new.... you can never be called a terrorist if you kill Israelis, don't you know that?
43. #23 YOU ARE WRONG!!!
LexisNexis helped! ,   right here   (05.16.12)
Plaintiffs are the estate and family members of Daniel Wultz, an American citizen killed in the attack "there is no mention of all individuals similarly situated" anywhere in any of the various cases filed by this family But if you don't believe me, well then let me refer you to: 08-cv-1460 (RCL) please do go read it for yourself. (are you really that insecure that you find it necessary to be mean-spirited to everyone and anyone who has an opinion different from yours?)
44. to all the naysayers...
SA ,   USA   (05.16.12)
I heard her speak at the AIPAC conference this year. The things they do are mostly under the radar and are amazing. For instance, they were able to get compensation for victims by forcing sale of a house in the US that was owned in some way by Iran. Like the article mentioned, they can be compensated from frozen assets, and they have won judgements in the past. One of the most amazing things they did was help prevent the redux of the flotilla. There is some law that makes it illegal to aid enemies of the US or terrorist organization (don't remember exactly) by ship. They were able to use this law to stop the flotilla organizers. For instance, they were able to get companies issuing maritime insurance (you can't sail without it) not to issue insurance to these flotillas under threat they would be sued for abetting terrorism. Also they prevented the boats from getting GPS services the same way, and I think they threatened the countries themselves not to issue permits. Thus they were not able to sail in the end. And all this goes unreported, and it was averted without violence, just through legal action. Isn't that cool?
45. at 44 who is she that you speak of?
(05.16.12)
and also all the things you say she does were in many cases done by the Legal Advisor's office of the State of Israel, the Legal Advisor's office of the Foreign Ministry of the State of Israel and/or the Legal Advisor's office of the Defense Ministry of the State of Israel. So someone somewhere was (I'll be polite) misrepresenting facts
46. #15 Mike and others.
David ,   USA   (05.16.12)
There is nothing immoral about this family receiving this compensation. The courts have spoken, precedence has been set. It is very simple for the other victims to now file their own suit and cite this case and win easily.
47. #45 Sarah
David ,   USA   (05.16.12)
Is it really you Sarah? Are you now afraid to sign your name?
48. @46 u r mixing apples and oranges....
(05.16.12)
In the United States this type of case may only be filed by American citizens. Most terror victims in Israel are not American citizens they are Israeli citizens and therein lies the rub.... Israeli citizens cannot receive recourse for terrorism carried out in Isarel in an American court... whatever were you thinking when you made your comment?!
49. #45 You are Dead Wrong!
Ira ,   New York   (05.16.12)
I worked with Nitsana & Shurat HaDin on numerous cases as co-counsel including on the flotilla legal proceedings brought in NY, Miami and in Athens this pasat summer. I can personally attest to the fact that the government's attorneys did not accomplish what we did. We cancelled the insurance and GPS services and forced the Mavi Marmara to refuse to sail. We also have recovered over $120 million for the terror victims to date. When the going gets tough, they came to us.
50. lambeth @16
steve ,   chicago   (05.16.12)
case law supports syria? maybe not: in a series of similar cases filed by survivors and surviving family members, under the state-sponsored terrorism exception to the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act. All told, the bill for Iran is now easily over $1 billion
51. to 45
SA ,   USA   (05.16.12)
Well I don't know what the legal advisers did but she (the only "she" in the article--Nitsana Darshan-Leitner) said she and her firm (possibly with aid from other lawyers) did these things. Anyhow you're missing the point.
52. #26 a half US citizen you mean
observer ,   Egypt   (05.16.12)
53. #51 What is YOUR point?
Ira ,   NY   (05.16.12)
Why don't you google the organization's name and read some articles from ten years ago until today. We are the cutting edge of legal Jewish activism. We are more efficient and effective then the government. We don't worry about what the EU, UN or State Department thinks. We don't care about no political correctness. We don't cowtow to the Israel haters.
54. To: David at No. 47
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.16.12)
I have never been afraid to sign my name. Unfortunately, there are trolls on this Forum who aren't afraid to sign my name, either. That's a problem to address with YNet ... and, potentially, the individual miscreants who are so forgettable that they must co-opt someone's identity in order to be noticed.
55. To: No. 41
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.17.12)
1. Mike Carmel should not hold his breath waiting for me to offer an apology. Neither should you. Besides, it would be disingenuous, because I wouldn't mean it -- that's the greater evil, don't you think? 2. I am not a Holocaust survivor. My parents (z"l) were Holocaust survivors. 3. I won't correct your spelling, grammar or usage. However, you may want to consider investing in a handy text, "The Elements of Style," by Strunk & White. If I'm not mistaken, it's actually available on the Internet, without charge.
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