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Outgoing Samaria commander: Itamar massacre was my fault
Itamar Fleishman
Published: 17.05.12, 22:25
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1. Yarom is a Hero
Tzvi ,   Har Nof, Jerusalem   (05.17.12)
Yarom, thank you for your dedication and service to the Jewish People. May we merit to have more leaders like yourself. It is not your fault that the Fogel's were killed. It was the murderous arabs that attempt to kill us whenever an opportunity presents itself. We will prevail in this war. G-d Bless
2. don' t mess with heroic israeli officers
(05.17.12)
3. Itamar and Toulouse the same muslim barbarism
Frederic   (05.17.12)
which kill jewish toddlers and jewish family
4. # 1
Birdi ,   Israel   (05.17.12)
You need to re-read this article again. ''Colonel Nimrod Aloni says his personal failure led to the murder if the Fogel family...." He is the outgoing commander whilst Col.Yoav Yarom is the incoming commander.
5. The Real fault
d ,   israel   (05.18.12)
Fogel family's house situated in most dangerous spot in the area without proper protection. That's the real reason. Nobody there cared for security 24/7. the house was unprotected windows and all. no barriers before or after at same spot. Any outsider, even criminal could have gotten in easily at least back then and prior.
6. Col. Aloni, this burden is not for you to carry
Devorah   (05.18.12)
If it means having to forgive yourself, then do it. Let go of this. Otherwise, it will eventually make you sick.
7. It wasn't his fault. It was jihadi Islam's fault.
David ,   Hartford USA   (05.18.12)
There is no need for Israeli's to say they are at fault for this. They were murdered in their sleep by jihad-drunk Arabs who have been indoctrinated from birth that 'Islamic' lands can never be lost, and no dhimmi can ever take it away from a Muslim. (Even when the Muslims took it by force from the original inhabitants so long ago.) What was proven on this night of blood is that Arabs hate Jews on 'their' land. They will never change - just look at what's happening in Egypt, Syria, Morrocco, etc. Fundamentalist Islam is bad for all of us kuffirs! We dhimmis need to put the Muslims back in their caves quickly- or else these atrocities will only become more frequent. The nutjob in Iran, the soon to be president and nutjob in Egypt- all think sharia is the answer to everything- and it is if you are a woman-abusing, Jew-hating, goat-humping, uneducated loser. The only mistake the Army made was that it didn't want to recognize how inherently warped the Muslims are. Don't make the same mistake twice.
8. # 5 real fault:
Masha ,   C   (05.18.12)
do you think this might be what commander is referring to?
9. Insight
Hans-Peter Dollhopf ,   Ludwigshafen/Germany   (05.18.12)
On Monday last week I did my PT in the evening and came jogging back from the outskirts of Ludwigshafen to downtown. I wore a T-shirt that I once bought from Zahal.org with the Mossad emblem on the front. With the sports jacket over it one could only recognize a few hebraic letters and parts of the Menora. Out of a group of four of turkish youngsters one yelled "Jud!" (Jew!) and something I could not understand. In a second approach the same guy uttered "sollen wir dich abstechen?" (do you want to be stabbed by us?) Despite I knew that this was a punishable act I did not report it because I felt very alone in the mixture of the turkish/arabic/moslemic "audience" around me. Nevertheless, as a German this experiences gave me another insight. What Colonel Nimrod Aloni and Israel's forces are fighting against.
10. Col. N.Aloni It Is Quite Nobel Of You
(05.18.12)
To accept tje responsibility of Being Everywhere at the same time! This short article displays you as A Highly Moral Man who takes his duty Serious. However The Mureders of the Fogel Family are the Ones Who Snuck In In The Middle of the night with Intentions Of Murder of As Many Jewish citizens of Israel as possibly. Col. N.Aloni may Ha Shem comfort you for your pain, and Bless You For Your Diligent Service For the Israeli people and the IDF and also your Proud Family! שלום
11. Colonel Aloni
Rhonda ,   Chicago, USA   (05.18.12)
Dear Colonel Aloni- you are a dedicated soldier and best example of the honor of the Israel Defense Forces. Please do not take on this guilt; if you have to, get professional help in dealing with your feelings. Otherwise these cut throat murderers will not only have killed the Vogels but will destroy your spirit too. Only these psychopathic murderers are responsible for these heinous crimes. Please continue with your life and enjoy your family, friends and the esteem of the Jewish people.
12. nice to see he doesn't to pass the buck to a junior
zionist forever   (05.18.12)
It doesn't matter if this man was or was not responsible because finding a scapegoat won't bring them back and its nice to see he is not doing what so many senior officers in militaries worldwide and thats saying it wasn't my fault it blame it on that junior officer he was responsible.
13. Local Militia
Zivron   (05.18.12)
That ornate itself had lousy security at least Four guards is the kibbutz model.They do not follow even despise the Chalutzim who.built Eretz Yisroel and won the six day.war.Their parasiyism is disgusting .Ornate and theory arrogance allowed the barbarian amelekites to do evil.
14. #9 Insight
ltrail ,   United States   (05.18.12)
The God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob was with you that evening. I wish that I were there too; to support whatever you might have needed. I will speak a prayer to your God; who is my God. regarding you tonight before sleep. Shalom.
15. to 9
sona   (05.18.12)
there is a differance between fighting and crimes both have a cause but taste of crimes is offensive that limited the crimes to some persons if they are from idf or palasinians ..god create us with mindes and hearts but what you had an experiance is not offensve but it told that evry thing has a cause . as a mother shout to her son i will beat you .. realy it has a couse in saying but not in doing
16. To Hans-Peter
Gábor Fränkl ,   Budapest, Hungary   (05.18.12)
I tried to find you on facebook but you are not there. I merely wanted to say 2 things to you, oth are very important!! 1. My deep and profound thanks to you for íour support! 2. Not far from you, in Worms a 16 years old German girld was brutually raped and almost killed just this year ion February. If you wanna know about this and are interetsted in the stroy which the German media/press placed under a virtual blockade, contact me! The Best! Gábor Fränkl
17. the only way it could be his fault...
mark ,   usa   (05.18.12)
Is if he had actionable intelligence and decided on political grounds not to act. Having said that, if that is the true nature of his struggle, then comfort they self. No one is issued a crystal ball in the name of hindsight. More specifically, the onus lies with those that test and force this political battle of wills. Their evil, stinks to high heaven for having to force such second guessing and will have to eventually be answered for. It is a crime that lives on, and it is their sole doing. Evil, knows no future other than its own short sighted objective.
19. This wonderful soldier did not fail
Richie ,   Dublin, Ireland   (05.18.12)
he is only maybe confusing his feelings of horror with guilt. And he has nothing to feel guilty about. What happened to that family was as shocking and as horrific as anything I can think of. The fault lies with the terrorists who carried out the killings. This soldier should be supported and praised for leaving no stone unturned in bringing those murdering criminals to justice.
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