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Arab tragedy self-inflicted
Asaf Romirowsky
Published: 22.05.12, 19:45
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31. The only game in town.
Li ,   USA   (05.23.12)
It's nice that there is still one major Israeli site that isn't hidden behind a paywall. Reading utterly idiot articles like this is a small price to pay.
32. Judy, #7 By America, I presume you mean...
Edwin ,   Canada   (05.23.12)
...the United States of America, and you are presuming to speak for a sizable portion of that population? Of course, by quoting "people", you may only mean you and your other friend you.
33. Palestinians
Marek ,   Warsaw, Poland   (05.23.12)
Palestinians are Jewish farmers and artisans converted to Islam. The ones who did not want to lose their ownership of land and workshops, and so - did not emigrate. The rest is just blah-blah-blah.
34. perverse historical analysis
Maurice Solovitz ,   London UK   (05.23.12)
So Robert ignores the Arab invasion into Israel in 635 CE (AD) and ignores immigration as a factor in all human interaction since history began thus discriminating against Jewish history only (because Arab conquest was both physical and cultural). Robert, a question: what do you call a person who ignores the obvious diversity of origins in Israel - proclaims all non-Jews to be indigenous and then excludes all Jews from any kind of narrative other than a negative one? Rewriting the history books to suit your prejudices is what cowards do - do you not agree?
35. @ no.33
AJ ,   Raalte   (05.23.12)
Most "Palestinians" are recent economic immigrant Arabs from Syria, Trans-Jordan and Egypt, attracted during the 20th century to the prosperity the Jewish pioneers were creating.
36. Here's a bit of info. They are in knee-deep
Devorah   (05.23.12)
"Ma’an, the Palestinian news agency reported on April 23, 2012 that: 'The Palestinian Authority has quietly instructed Internet providers to block access to news websites whose reporting is critical of President Mahmoud Abbas, according to senior government officials and data analyzed by network security experts.'” David Horowitz Front Page Magazine
37. Arabs never took responsibility for their own
Ron ,   OC US   (05.23.12)
Israel took in its refugee Jews, hunreds of thousands of them. The Arabs left their bretherin in camps to this day. And, look how the Arabs treat one another. Thousands dead in the Arab Spring, a million dead in the Iran/Iraq war, Black September, the PLO in Lebanon, civil war in Lebanon, the Copts of Egypt and the Jews kept in Syria against their will or that choose to stay behind in Iran and other countries. Those poor little things the Pals claim to be...
38. #30 your hatred makes you imagine things
Chopper4 ,   CPT, South Africa   (05.23.12)
Hey Tracey, Could you maybe give some examples of this victimhood we preach? Or are you basing this on books written by holocaust deniers and discredited historians? If we were so caught up in playing the victim and manipulating world opinion then why do so many hate us? Why do so many media outlets go for the anti-Israel angle? I wonder do victims become the most technologically advanced country in the world? That sounds more like survivors and people that do not give up. You are just jealous fullstop!
39. #26 Liar liar pants are on fire
Menachem ,   Israel   (05.23.12)
The Jewish people is the indigenous population of Israel which is the ancestral Jewish homeland. The Arabs on the other hand, are the foreign invaders and colonizers comparable to the European colonizers of America. The Jewish people generously accepted to partition its homeland with the Arabs who refuse and insist on a Jew-state free Middle East. By the way, Arab anti-Jewish racism didn't start in 1948 but has been an ingral part of Arab-Moslem supremacy mentality since the inception of Islam with countless Arab pogroms, massacres and terror against Jews. I can understand that you identify with other colonizers but truth and history is firmly on the side of the Jewish people.
40. Who were the real Palestinians?
Menachem ,   Israel   (05.23.12)
Ariel Sharon, Yitzhak Rabin, Ezer Weizman and other Jews who were born in the British Palestine Mandate. The folks who the world today refer as "Palestinians" are simply put Arab-speakers of diverse origin who ironically as late as in the 1940s rejected the term "Palestine" as a "Zionist" and "Western" name. They saw themselves as Syrians or simply put part of the wider Arab world but certainly not "Palestinians".
41. The UN worst violation is by Muslims.
BUTSeriously ,   Sydney   (05.23.12)
The worst violation in the UN's history is the multi-state Arab attack in '48 of the UN established state of Israel. Remember that this attack was perpetrated with a declared goal of genocide, after the attacking states actually voted in the UN Motion. But where is the UN Resolution of this most evil deed?
42. #1 - a fake name and an ambiguous location
William ,   Israel   (05.23.12)
yep - all the hallmarks of an uncredible agitator, something both populations in the ME admit is the major source of continued problems here. Go pound sand.
43. #3 - you killed us and robbed us 92 years ago
William ,   Israel   (05.23.12)
long before the 1948 Independence War and without regard to those who are natives of the land and those who legally purchased land. You used your racism to target non-Arabs and deemed everything you see Arab based on a massive invasion and theft that occurred 1200 years prior. You lost the little you did own in a war of genocide you started. So don't expect any tears from anyone here. Had you lived in peace like those Arabs who remained in Israel, and more recently Egypt and Jordan, you'd have everything you ever dreamed of....except a Jew-free Middle East. The last part is non-negotiable.
44. #7 - you mean, YOU'RE sick of it
William ,   Israel   (05.23.12)
the rest of America is quite supportive of our rights in our native land and in democracy overall. And they keep reminding you of it often. Don't you have someone else's stuff to Occupy because you're too lazy to earn it yourself, you socialist hack?
45. #3 - if they are Jewish farmers turned Muslim
William ,   Israel   (05.23.12)
then why didn't they and so many others welcome their brothers, the Jews, rather than try to kill them? You tend to ignore the Arab invasion and forced emigration or killing of non-Arab, non-Muslims, though it's clearly documented AND well-cited among Arabs as a proud moment. Further, per the Ottoman Turkish taba not many people owned land - like less than 10% total, including Jews and Arabs. Truth be told, most Arabs in the region didn't own their land. If they were farmers for a Sultan, they have no right to settle on it. The ownership went with the Sultan, which reverted to State control under the British Mandate.
46. #26 - what history is on the side of the "Palestinians"?
William ,   Israel   (05.23.12)
Their history doesn't go back very far and every attempt to prove it ends abruptly. Most of the claims are unsupported conjecture. They tried to prove a tie to Jesus. That failed. They tried to prove land ownership through Ottoman Turkish records. That failed. They tried to claim the Jewish Temple was in a different town, or non-existent altogether. That failed. They claimed they were forced off their land but records showed most ran without ever seeing a soldier. And Hazem Khalidi admitted the lies of the Arab Higher Committee which caused it. That failed. They claimed they are victims like the Jews were and are experiencing a Holocaust. That failed, especially because, unlike Jews, Arabs were caught initiating many wars, AND their numbers grew, not diminished. They claimed war crimes. That was thrown out of many courts and failed. Now you discredit them by claiming 300,000 refugees while they claim 700,000 refugees, which make both of you uncredible. Only the Court of Public Opinion, led by Attention Deficit Disorder individuals like yourself, using simple sound bites, and sitting 10,000 miles away, supports them. What's the verdict? EPIC fail!
47. good article
joshua ,   cancun   (05.23.12)
its good to say things as they truly are
48. @ no. 35
Marek ,   Warsaw, Poland   (05.23.12)
""Most "Palestinians" are recent economic immigrant Arabs from Syria, Trans-Jordan and Egypt, attracted during the 20th century to the prosperity the Jewish pioneers were creating. "" Any evidence for that claim? Apart from the slogan: "Land without people for people without land"?
49. Marek #48 short answer YES
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (05.23.12)
There is ample proof. Just look at the creation of the UNWRA. The requirement of being a refugee was a mere two years in the Mandate, unlike the legal definition in the Geneva Convention of having lived in that location all their life. Have you ever wondered why just two years? Bet not - because according to the UN - over 80% of the 'refugees' were born elsewhere and moved to the Mandate territories post World War 2. That's right over 80% of the so-called 'refugees' weren't even residents let alone citizens. Of those that left only 99.9% of them did not owe a single square millimeter of land - again that is from the British and the UN. Does that qualify as evidence. And yes when the Jews started buying the land over 91% of it had no people whatsoever, that too is a fact according to the records of the Ottoman Empire, British Mandate, League of Nations and the UN.
50. @ 49
Marek ,   Warsaw, Poland   (05.23.12)
Yes. And those 600 plus Palestinian villages never existed. No houses. No olive trees. No nothing.
51. to 50
shams   (05.24.12)
in his book he writes - life is energy we can not catch it but feel it it will not created nor finished ... yes it is the palastinian story
52. #50 multiplying
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (05.24.12)
Boy the number of 'refugees' and their villages increases every time one of you leftists make a claim. Soon it will be in the tens of millions and thousands of villages. What about the tens of thousands of Jews were actually ethnically cleansed by the Arabs in Jerusalem, Gaza, Judea and Samaria? Oh don't they count? As for the villages - just because the Arabs left on their own accorded from lands that they leased, gives them neither the right to come back or claim land that they did not own. Sucks to make the wrong choice. After World War 2 - over 2 million Germans were expelled from Prussia and their land was taken from them. Going to allow them back or give them their land back? After the American Revolution 10% of the American citizens remained loyal to the British government. Guess what America deported them and took all their land. Guess what none were ever allowed back, nor did they get a single millimeter of land or compensation. What a surprise. Why are only the Arabs the only group to have these special rights in the entire history of the world? Could it be racism? Care to dispute those facts?
53. #1--Really mohammed?? Pure BS.
Don Rosenberg ,   Palatine USA   (05.24.12)
54. #26-You are the typical gentile racist !!
Don Rosenberg ,   Palatine USA   (05.24.12)
Your delusional with your lies. Get educated moron on Jewish history, if you can read. There are no such people as pal...... just plain old racist muslim arabs. History proves Israel is the land of the Jews and jealous racists like you can Go to Hell. You just can't stand the success and superiority of us over you peanut brained gentiles. Take that and shove it up your a...s moron !!!!!!
55. #50-Get educated ,if you can read!!
Don Rosenberg ,   Palatine USA   (05.24.12)
Coming from Poland, the most racist and anti-semitic country in europe, you should be smarter. Did you know how many Jews were kicked our of Arab countries, 900,000.Go take you dumb comments and criticize the muslim fascists.
56. @52
Marek ,   Warsaw, Poland   (05.24.12)
OK Am confused, kind of. Should I understand that also the inhabitants of Deir Yassin lived there on leased land?
57. #56 that is correct
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (05.24.12)
The land owners lived in Damasqus. The residents did not own the land. I also remember that residents of Deir Yassin liked to attack and murder civilian doctors and nurses. So when are the 2 million Germans and their descendents going to get their millions of hectacres of land back that you Poles stole? Who many Poles were tried for the 1/2 million German civilians that were murdered by the Poles to steal their land? Or the more than 1 million women raped by Poles? I think you have a lot of crimes to answer for and that doesn't even begin to address the millions of homes and businesses that you Poles stole from the Jews.
58. @ 57
Marek ,   Warsaw, Poland   (05.24.12)
Reading your rantings is much better than watching a circus clown. I appreciate this kind of fun. Do not stop, please.
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