I don't change my mind , even not for you , my dear . I was worried because of your silence , fine to see you're OK .

and i will not change my mind , not even for you , my dear . I was worried about your silence , fine to see you're OK , but stil with your ideas . Adapt yourself a little bit to the modern world , not only by using a PC , but in your head too . It are those "facts" that distance many Jews from religion .

of both:Tora and modernity.What s bad about that? Thanks for your caring.Feels SO good. Of course I MUST remember that roses have also thorns.Not always easy to keep that in mind .

you don't live in the 21st century when believing and thinking as you do .

I don't need tora to [ try to ] Ve'ahavta et re'echa ....Is it one of the "benefits" of tora teaching that some spit on girls ?

`what do you mean? the HUMANE QUALITIES the Tora teaches us , do not belong in the 21th century? Then you too do not fit in this century. Capite? [ understood ?]

You make it very easy for me ,to remember that roses have thorns. Without the Tora the world would be a jungle in your 21th century.

trying to divert me from the Tora.The only thing you succeed is to irritate me. What is your goal Charles?

Do you think that we need your tora to have our great human qualities ? And again , where are the "human qualities" of those spitting guys ? Did they read an other tora ? What did the tora believing people contribute to the world ? Where would you be without all those seculars who discovered so many things that saved so many lifes ? in the dark middle ages ! We don't need tora laws to behave corectly , you maybe ! [ with you i don't say YOU personnally , you received a secular education too ]

I am glad to hear that human relationships are perfect in your modern society . However,If your view on religious people is that bad,and you don t see anything good in us, our debating seems unfair to me. Since i do not intend to focus at only the evil in your society.Moreover i do not intend to be your punch ball. Let us stay good friends. Have a fine day.

But i can't accept your "that without Tora it would be a jungle here" . No Ora , and i have said it already more than once , there are very fine people amongst the charidim , you're one of them [ a rose ! ] Sad to say we don't see nor hear them enough . We don't hear their "great" voices condemning some very bad acts . Good friends have'nt to agree on everything . Have many fine days [ i'm generous ! ]

What can i ask more?Thanks Charles.