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Obama just doesn’t get it
Shaul Rosenfeld
Published: 16.06.12, 14:23
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31. What do you expect...
Edward ,   New York, USA   (06.16.12)
from a guy who was ebthusiasticly tutotored by Zbignew Brezinnski of the Jimmy Cater School of Foreign Policy. A complete surrender to Arabist radical muslim Wahhabism.
32. If elections will be held as scheduled in the US...
Noodles ,   Coney Island   (06.16.12)
and martial law isn't declared beforehand (for whatever reason they conjure up), there may be a ray of hope, although demons are not expunged quite so easily.
33. Oh He Not Only Knows Exactly What He's
(06.16.12)
Doing he is rubbing Plenty Peoples Noses in it (his Bullshit). Hopefully In 5 months he WILL LOSE HIS BID TO AMERICA TO IT'S KNEE'S? People in the U.S.A. NEED TO SEE WHAT he has Not DONE,WHAT he SAID he WOULD DO? And Has Americans Quality Of Life Been better off in the last 3 years? I for one have the WORST FINANCIAL YEARS since b.H.o. Took office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! שבת שלום / ברוך הא שם
34. Arab spring??No,just God s prophesy taking place!!!
Anna M Sedda ,   Rome-Italy   (06.16.12)
It is a prophesy that all Arab Islamic coalition(all North Africa Islamic nations)will get ready to' go against Israel;to' do that they have to be' terrorist leaders like Brotherhoods of death...it s ok,we can real with that...
35. Isaac should shut up.
Ben Ze'ev ,   Panama City Panama   (06.16.12)
#30, Isaac Shutupsky, should do exactly that.
36. Pharaoh Hussein gets it perfectly Shaul
Lenny Loeffler   (06.16.12)
He's much more clever than you, as you must know he was raised a very religious Moozlim in Indonesia and went to a Qoranic school. He is pro-Islam and anti-West and has very successfully destroyed many vital alliances of the United States. Perhaps it's you journo Shaul who doesn't get it?
37.  Eurabia? Not a dream anymore
Nora Tel Aviv   (06.16.12)
It`s a matter of time. Islamists will peacefuly invade Europe. Money will come from Saudia. Backing will come from socialist democratic parties. Then, one day, Sharia will replace democracy at the polls. Don`t cry for democracy foolish Eurpeans.
38. And the alternative is?
Len ,   Amsterdam   (06.16.12)
Love these kind of articles. Okay a heavy dose of what has happened is accurately portrayed. Its a know litany. Tell me something I don't know! But whats the alternative? Maintaining, supporting and facilitating despotic terror regimes? Denying the chance to fight for the most basic inalienable rights to those who want to give it a go? If thats the best you can come up with then you aren't fit to deserve your own democracy or independence either.
39. racist crap
Malki   (06.16.12)
in the past they said "jews taking over europe" now we see this title "muslims taking over europe" made by people who should know it better...
40. you are right on.
mohson   (06.16.12)
The arab peoples want something else but do not realize the erdogan brotherhood is waiting in the wings and using the mosque, intimidation and brainwashing to take power and then turn each arab country into a vassal state that serves only the few top like haniyeh, kameini and gul and erdogan. Friedman, all of haaretz especially shavit, are bleeding heart olmerts that have kinship with those who are blind, weak and arrogant.
41. How come ice - cream cones still sold with chocolate kipa?
Miron ,   USA   (06.17.12)
Say what you want, but we own the world!
42. #12
Belinda ,   Amarillo, USA   (06.17.12)
You are EXACTLY correct! Only I believe it's more an agent of Islam more than ignorance. Only problem is that most people in the US are asleep at the wheel & have a "we're too big to fail" attitude! I'm pleased to say that some DO get it, however, I'm grieved to say most don't.
43. obamma gets it
Rick ,   Ohio, USA   (06.17.12)
and 'islamic revolt' is what he wants. obamma is a muslim, everyone knows it. hopefully this bum is tossed out in the elections and he can go back to kissing black rocks in saudi arabia
44. OK... so what exactly is Obama supposed to do about this?
Rafi ,   US   (06.17.12)
45. Column's message is there but needs to be said more clearly
Tracy W   (06.17.12)
The truth needs to be spelled out for those suffering from terminal wishful thinking. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR DEMOCRACY in societies that are so deeply divided by tribalism and religious factions. And no hope for real democracy in the foreseeable future. Tribalism is part of our DNA. Those of us who have lived in North America are now A LITTLE more likely to have more tolerance for "the other" because we are all newcomers. But not always. Just watch how everything unravels after a soccer or hockey match. We are tribal by nature. Those nations that have lived in the same area for thousands of years instead of a few hundred will tend to be less tolerant. Massive invasions have historically stirred things up by obliterating or dominating the local culture - which itself may be that of the previous invaders. Let's just ask what happened to the ancient Egyptians, their language and their religion. Nothing much remains after Greeks, Romans and then Arabs invaders were done with them. European wars and colonialism only aggravated things by drawing lines on the map that had little or nothing to do with ethnic or religious groups. Europe is still subdividing. Remember old Yogoslavia? And Scotland wanting to separate? And the troubles in Ireland? And the Flemish and Walloons in Belgium? And various other minorities in Europe that also want to rule themselves, separate from those who are ethnically diverse? But at least the Europeans make an effort - between wars - to stick to democracy. These days their democracy has been eroded with the imposition of a larger body that makes decisions: The bureaucrats of the European Union. And they want to teach democracy? ----------- Anyway, Asia and Africa today are raging and flaming cauldrons with people either killing each other or wishing they could do so. Those who try so passionately to force their democratic ideals on people who cannot possibly govern themselves in the present circumstances are doing more damage than good. If we could do anything at all it would be to agree to a peaceful redrawing of borders according to ethnicity and religious factions, an exchange of populations - whatever fits the situation - hoping that geo-economic issues, greed and the desire for revenge won't muddle the situation even further. That might bring some peace. And as far as democracy for all goes? Impossible. Those who are deeply religious, such as the Egyptians, would never settle for it.
46. Obama has caused one of the most horrific dangers
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (06.17.12)
that Israelis will ever face. He and Hillary Clinton in their divine wisdom, have destabilized the entire Middle East. They have created a whole group of Iran Wanta Bees. Israel will have to battle with all these religious Muslim nuts, because of Obama and Hillary Clinton. Democracy can bring about Hitler....in every country that is stupid enough to vote him into office. Israel will pay the price of these idiots who want to play with clay....and recreate the wheel. Obama is inept....and definitely not a savant.
47. 1# You are wrong...The US did push for
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (06.17.12)
the overthrow of these governments ..and was right in the middle of every coup. They chose to help....where were you hiding when they planned and destroyed all the middle eastern governments??? Obama has a fringe agenda. He doesn't care what anyone thinks about what he plans and enacts. Israel is last on his agenda...other than the next few months of the election.....as he cons Jews into voting for him again.
48. 24# Obama and Hillary Clinton have started more
Steven wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (06.17.12)
covert wars in the Middle East ....in the last three and one half years.... than Bush ever got a chance to start. The difference being....Obama abandoned these countries peoples to kill themselves without his help and aid. Obama has been behind all of these coups in the Middle East. Pull your head out of the sand.
49. Obama-the West-and Islam
Sy Dill ,   Providence, RI   (06.17.12)
Israel won in `67 because they didn't wait for tragedy to hit them first. They almost lost in `73 because they didn't hit Egypt first in order to appease America. Israel is alone. Their fate can only come from their own determined action. They must hit Iran, Hizballah and Hamas at the same time and then the monkey will get off their backs. I love all the comments by anti-semites that suggest that by Israel defending themselves, they're bringing on their own destruction.
50. #38
Clearsighted ,   Boston, MA   (06.17.12)
So your alternative is to continue to repeat the same experiment, expecting a different result? The idiocy of the Left. Just because you don't like reality of the enemy trying to kill you doesn't mean that you can change that reality by delusional wishful thinking. The rational alternative is to do everything possible to prevent virulently anti-Semitic, genocidal supremacists from achieving power anywhere in the world or obtaining weapons of mass destruction.
51. drdkatz@sbcglobal.net
David Katz ,   United States   (06.17.12)
So what should Obama do?
52. Obama is not Western
progressoverpeace ,   Philadelphia, USA   (06.17.12)
Obama is a Third Worlder who hates the US and THE WEST with every retarded bone in his body.
53. What happened with Carter and the Shah
ben   (06.17.12)
in 1979. happened on August 19th 1953 with the overthrough of Mohammad Mosaddegh and his democraticly elected government. The imprisoning of Mosaddegh and torture and execution of his followers. Because the prime minister Mosaddegh wanted the same deal Saudi Arabia had 50% so he could use the oil revenue for his people. That coup is what led to the radicals taking over. The die was set. Carter could not do anything about it anymore than the US could have won the Vietnam war. Again Ynet reports on the effect and not the cause. And typical responses from the talk back penut gallarey. Obama is a closet Muslim ETC. ETC ETC. O YEAH and he's not even an American citizen rite
54. #38 has it right...
esnuffnstl ,   USA   (06.17.12)
...what is the alternative? The writing was on the wall in Egypt, there is nothing, NOTHING , Obama could have done (in fact, most of the rest of the world believes Obama was too late in recognizing the obvious.) If Obama kept supporting Mubarak, it wouldn't have kept Mubarak in power, it would only mean that now the US would have zero influence in Egypt (a little while ago, Obama's influence in Egypt came in handy when Israeli diplomats were in trouble.)
55. to #1, speaking of temper tantrums...
tom ,   toronto, canada   (06.17.12)
then maybe the egyptians should have been left to get rid of mubarak on their own, without president obummer's interference. or do you only spout these grandiose anti-colonialist sentiments when it suits your ideology?
56. about friedman
tom ,   toronto, canada   (06.17.12)
thomas friedman has been acting on orders from the white house since obummer took office. he has been a mouthpiece for official disinformation, and acted as the hatchet man for the white house's attacks on israel in general and netanyahu in particular. whether he's a paid shill or just a fawning toady, this article would have done better to ignore friedman and focus on the real actors in the piece.
57. NO, HE GET$ IT VERY WELL.. HE ISN'T OUR FRIEND
CHARLES ,   BOSNIA   (06.17.12)
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET THAT? WHY ARE JEWS VOTING FOR THIS POSER? THE $UPPORT HE GIVE$ TO THE I$LAMIC BROTHERHOOD (A.K.A. NAZI$ WHO AIDED & A$$ISTED ADOLPH HITLER, THE DYBBUK INCARNATE) I$ BEING DONE ON PURPO$E. THI$ THING ISN'T OUR FRIEND!!!
58. US can no longer afford its Empire
British mother ,   UK   (06.17.12)
If the sell off the National Health Service in Britain and then find enough money to wage a new war of aggression in the ME there will be outrage. The US hasn't even got a National Health Service to sell off. Democracy has to be won by the people or it is not, by definition, a democracy. Why should they accept another Western backed puppet in any of their countries? We wouldn't like it one bit. Arabs are not daft. In fact most of them are wiser and more clued up about democracy than half the talkbackers here. Its obviously going to be a long struggle for them to throw off their dictators with many old regimes determined to hold onto power at any cost and plenty of interference from the West to use the old divide and rule tactics to capitalise on sectarianism to control their countries and resources as in Iraq. Its an old story unfortunately. Obama needs to wind down the Empire. May not be popular amongst egotists but has to be done. They've now met Russia and China head on over Syria. Obama is not winding things down fast enough. In fact he is escalating it in many areas with his drones. Robot Wars. No longer science fiction. Depressing.
59. special dictionary for reading #1
Danny   (06.17.12)
Countries the West support = "colonial" and "bad", countries that attack the West = "native" and "good". If you think the Muslim Brotherhood is the "will of the people", look at how many votes they got in Egypt.
60. not just obama who does't 'get it'
moron ,   galut   (06.17.12)
remember john kerry and nancy pelosi..'the road to peace is thru damascus'..leftists dont get it..not just the black guy they too will blame.
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