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As Jews, we have failed
Yakir Elkariv
Published: 18.06.12, 10:51
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31. Cheap trick
michael Pielet ,   israel   (06.18.12)
Those whose knowledge of the torah is based on a total lack of education should not be using the torah in support of their political views. This article is a cheap political cheap.
32. Devil quoting scripture
Ilan   (06.18.12)
Also apt would be comparisons to monkey see money do. But some points: Odd that someone who doesn't support a state run on Halacha would use Tanach as a basis of policy. Does he intent to start stoning Shabat desecrators? No one is oppressing a foreigner. They are being sent back (not in chains) to their homeland after entering the country illegally. Even a poor person is not permitted to steal. The foreigner referred to in the Tanach are not infiltrators. Technical point but a valid one. The moral imperative in Jewish law is to provide first for the weaker elements within our society not to uninvited guests. That migrants are treated fairly well here and not denied vital services is the correct policy, but it is not immoral to recognize that the resources of our society is not unlimited. Israel has 700,000 people living here illegally. We can't support it without hurting our own citizens.
33. wait! the torah says nothing about strangers. it is talking
Patriotic Israeli ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (06.18.12)
about the CONVERT. The word is "ger" convert, not "zar" stranger. Why does EVERYBODY mistranslate the word?
34. Note to all talkbackers
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (06.18.12)
Please do not confuse "Sarah B" at Post No. 20 with me. For starters, I use American English, not British -- note spelling of the word "colour." She -- or he -- can call themselves whatever they like. At least until I decide to take action. It doesn't make those sorry assed trolls me. What a sad existence they must live!
35. As Jews...
sara   (06.18.12)
What a load of crap! These guys are not here for "good". I can't even walk to the bus to go to work without being harassed and I am sick of it. I and many others made aliyah so we could live as Jews without fear. Now, in the "only" Jewish country it is Jews who are being persecuted. Shame on you!
36. Wrong - The Migrants Failed
Andrew ,   Miami,Fl   (06.18.12)
The reasons they were hated were simple - crime!! Its not rocket scientists that are coming - they dont care about Israel. Granted - maybe they could have been "reformed" - but so what - you know full well that you dont want these people around - so you do what you must to make sure they go home
37. #20 is not Sarah B
Susan ,   Kfar Saba   (06.18.12)
I dont know why other people are always impersonating her. Why dont you get your own user name!
38. OH WOW!!!
dr harry ,   Jerusalem   (06.18.12)
Yakir, can quote verses from the Bible. You Israelis always want to look like the Super Hero's. Israeli conduct as a whole, ignores the Torah. You can't pick & choose verses from the Bible, when it pleases you. These people have a VAST WORLD, where they can find their Freedom. The Land of Israel is called the LAND OF ISRAEL for a reason. I do not have to ask myself "what exactly is the meaning of us being Jews" because a Jew is one who strives to do the Will of God. You, maybe, as an Israeli have a better question to ask yourself, why are you here & not in Uganda??
39. I love freedom of thought, sight, and judgement
wow! ,   Sudan   (06.18.12)
Okey, let me get mine. I think South Sudanese jews, they may be one of the lost tribes in the jungle of Africa. they sould be claim rights to be in Israel. what is wrong with that. because they are not blond and have no blue eyes, you are an idiot ,, they are african. they are just black as you pale and ugly enough to be jew. we not all enough jew what ever, ,, i want to reply #3 , Africa is so big and most africans even doesn't know israel. these are just individuals , just tiny community in Africa and you should all know africa is the 54 states, and smalest one is 10 times bigger than Israel. you should go and see , but be aware of that , you can be despise or resentful to their color , every one is black and you will be the different, which africans don't mind .
40. You haven't failed as Jews, you've failed as humans...
Dan ,   --   (06.18.12)
Your policy in denying these people a haven is a disgrace. The fact that you try to excuse this disgrace by pointing out that others nations have also done bad things only makes it worse (because it marks you as fools.) The occupation also shows that you've failed as people living in the 21st century (someone should tell you that stealing land and occupying others is not kosher anymore.) But perhaps you're biggest failure is your tribal nature. You're a couple hundred years behind the rest of the world on this.
41. Twisting torah verses in Leviticus
Joshua ,   Jerusalem   (06.18.12)
Leviticus 24:22 I quote מִשְׁפַּט אֶחָד יִהְיֶה לָכֶם, כַּגֵּר כָּאֶזְרָח יִהְיֶה: כִּי אֲנִי יְהוָה, אֱלֹהֵיכֶם. You will have one law, for strangers and home born, because I am G_d. Your translation isnt even close to the original hebrew. “When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt” Please!! show me which version of torah you are quoting? And if you actually read the preceding verses its about laws surrounding the death penalty of murders. One law for putting murderers to death whether homeborn or foreigner.
42. The writer is right.
Bergkamp   (06.18.12)
Israel is being strong with the weak ; the african foreigners that suffer a great deal in their countries and when crossing the ruthless arab states, and weak with the "strong"; the arab foreigners in our land (aka "palestinians") backed by the international community. We can t shelter 60.000 defenseless souls because there s 5 million savage arab foreigners that impose themselves on us. Shame on ISrael
43. What is happening to us?
Dani ,   Amsterdam NL   (06.18.12)
1938 Due to general word behavior to refuse visa's to Jews many of us has been killed by Nazi's. Today what is the difference between us and them???
44. Yawn...more Jewish self-blame
david, israel ,   israel   (06.18.12)
Every country in the world deports illegal immigrants. Apart from a security issue it also an economic one. There are scarce resources to be allocated. Israel shouldn't voluntarily agree to become another Detroit.
45. You err !!!.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (06.18.12)
I Quote - Yet the thing is that the Torah – the same one that Netanyahu draws his diplomatic and political strength from regularly – details precisely how we should behave when a wretched soul, be it a foreigner, an orphan or a widow, knocks at our doors. Comment - They have not nocked at Israels Door but are Illigal Impostors and lawbreakers !. As according to the wiev of this author, all so called Palestiniean refugees, from the First-Second-Third Generations, some Five Millions, can illigaly come to Israel with the moral right according to this interpretaition of the Torah, to stay here. What an imbecille !!!. Arn.Sweden.
46. Mr. Yakir, please
Shmuel ,   Maale Adumim   (06.18.12)
go study Torah before you spit out more nonsense and calling it 'torah'
47. Torah doesn't say anything about housing 65,000 permanently
Scott ,   Ramat Gan, Israel   (06.18.12)
The Torah refers to a thirsty stranger wandering in the desert, not tens of thousands of infiltrators looking for work. Also, I'm pretty sure the strangers did not break into anyone's home but were invited guests. The Africans illegally sneak into Israel everyday by the hundreds. Israel has been more than hospitable to them suspending laws that allow them to work. They have even been offered 1000 euros to leave - which would be enough for them to live off for at least a year in their home countries. We are not violating the Torah's teachings by sending them back.
48. Israel failed to keep them out, that was the mistake.
Moishe Pupuk ,   Baltimore   (06.18.12)
49. In our race to become ultra modern . . .
nibor ,   israel   (06.18.12)
Israel has become very "unJewish". The wave of violence that erupted a few weeks ago wasn't from the Sudanese or the Eitreans, but from Sabras!
50. Jewish aliyah
Moshe   (06.18.12)
I and my friends and relatives made aliyah in order to live in a Jewish State. Why should we want other Jews to move here if it becomes a non-Jewish country?
51. This moron never bothered to read the Torah!
Real Torah Jew ,   Haifa   (06.18.12)
52. Yakir, as a columnist you have failed
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (06.18.12)
what kind of tripe is this opinion., totally stupid and revealing only the arrogant ignorance of the writer.
53. Jewish failure
Floriane ,   Israel   (06.18.12)
#4 totally on target! This us a Jewish state, EXPELL all non Jews enough Torah this and that. No more empathy for the world. They hate us anyway. We need to protect and ourselves!
54. Jews as failure
Floriane ,   Israel   (06.18.12)
# 8 is very right I think we have actually been too kind
55. #34
Sarah B   (06.19.12)
How very kind of you to. at least for now, allow me to use my name. I leave where I am from blank so that tallkbackers can distinguish between yours and my posts Might I suggest you keep filling in where you are from and I will leave mine blank so your eaders know it is you and my readers know it is me. Unless you assent that we both use our full surnames to avoid further confusion. That is what I believe to be an equitable solution to your problem. I for one have no problem with you using my name and intend to take no further action.
56. So true and sad
jay abouaf ,   Jaffa, Israel   (06.19.12)
and dangerous our leaders have failed us
57. Suicide of a state
Ibrahim El Awal ,   Michigan   (06.19.12)
Illigal immigrants are a problem world wide. Immigrants are deported from many countries including Canada and Sweden. Israel has limited resources. The Tora forbides suicide. If you provide to immigrants millions will come. In order to provide to present infiltrators we should take from pious people of the Tora and give to infiltrators. All support to those who support these AIDS ridden infiltrators should be stopped. Do not tell other people to do what you do not do yourself. Kishkushim!!!!
58. YOU have failed
5th generation ,   Israel   (06.19.12)
This sort of problem is not new - people entering Israel without love for Zion but only to improve their lives, wandering the streets of TA. But only now you complain? Why? Because the skin color is wrong - clearly. This is a vile tribute to our enemies, where the sincerest form of flattery is imitation.
59. All of you complainers have described WHITE illegals no less
5th generation ,   Israel   (06.19.12)
Why now such passion to deport? THAT is failure as Jews.
60. # 34
Stan ,   Israel   (06.19.12)
Thank you Sarah for putting things straight. I was about to compliment you on the fact that lately we do seem to agree about some things.
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