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Circumcision to be considered a crime in Germany?
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Published: 28.06.12, 13:12
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1. If not for their Wiedergutmachung Reparation payment to Jews
Chaim   (06.28.12)
the Germans would have faded from the world forever, like the Babylonian, the Persian, the Romans.
2. Another law to kill people and extinguishe God.
Ted ,   Rochester USA   (06.28.12)
Another law to kill people and extinguishe God for our society. God says it is a good thing to circumcise and the German courts know better than God. This will also increase cervical cancer among women. But the doctors and the court do not care about women they care about defying God.
3. Mutilating babies for medevil religious beliefs
Gady ,   Haifa   (06.28.12)
And about time too !
4. It is more important to obey God and to circumcise the boy
Rivkah   (06.28.12)
babies, regardless of the laws of lands. This was not done in ancient Egypt when the Hebrews were slaves there, but General Joshua would not let anyone fight for recapturing Israel without first being circumcised. HaShem would not allow Moses to lead the Hebrews until he and his sons were circumcised even though Moses was eighty at that time.
5. Aaaand let the Nazi references begin in 3... 2... 1...
Moshe ,   Beit Shemesh, Israel   (06.28.12)
It's the Ynet talkbackers, you know it won't be long before they show up.
6. Their country
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (06.28.12)
It is their country and they can make any laws they like. Anyone who doesn't like the laws is free to move.
7. #6 It's (supposedly) a liberal democracy
Igor ,   Germany   (06.28.12)
So if they decided to gas all German Jews it would still be OK, because it's their country? The German Basic Law (Art. 4) guarantees freedom of faith and religious practice. The current ruling makes practicing Judaism all but impossible, at least from the moment you get a boy child.
8. another law to kill people and extinguishe god
gary dubrall ,   u.s.   (06.28.12)
you'll have to show me where god said that, or any thing else for that matter. god has never said a word, never written a word.
9. CIRCUMCISION
charles allan ,   glasgow scotland   (06.28.12)
So according to the judge abortion is OK but a God ordained commandment is not ??????
10. #4
jj   (06.28.12)
yeah, because god cares so much about how much skin is on a penis. get real.
11. very wise!!! pure humanism!!
Moshe ,   Tel Aviv   (06.28.12)
12. Great ruling! Finaly the human species grow up!
Neo ,   EU   (06.28.12)
Away from a simpleminded praying primate to a smarter species respecting and recognizing the reality and stop believe in their own human-made long-outdated fairy tales!
13. Those "compassionate" Germans who murdered 6 million
(06.28.12)
men, women, CHILDREN AND babies have lost their credibility FOREVER until the end of time.
14. #2 God
Martin   (06.28.12)
Maybe God should tell the court in Cologne what he thinks about it. Anyway the Torah (by the way written by human beeings) also says to stone people who collect wood on a Saturday or betray their husband.
15. Just what Hitler wrote about circumcision in Mein Kampf
Yaniv ,   Israel   (06.28.12)
Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf, "The Jews have inflicted two wounds on mankind - circumcision on its body and conscience on its soul.
16. Male Genital mutilation
John Bull   (06.28.12)
for non medical reasons, should be banned. Who in their right mind thinks that mutilating a boys penis and then sucking it is right?
17. Enslaving boys for life against their will is despicable.
Michael ,   California, USA   (06.28.12)
This irreversible custom should be abolished. Of course, if desired by the boy himself, it is acceptable at an age when the boy can give his consent and under a proper medical supervision. The German court is correct, as are American courts which supported not once stopping circumcision. A separate question is why was circumcision introduced in the first place? Religion is a form of enslavement and priests always feared independent people will be escaping them and what they preached. Therefore, they introduced circumcision to tie people to themselves for life, to make them slaves to themselves.
18. Let's see what the European Court will decide.
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (06.28.12)
Before we start yelling Antisemitism, Nazis and so on, I am sure that the German Jewish Community will take this to a higher court and eventually to the European Court of Human Rights. Those who are already burning the German flag should remember that some local authorities in the Great State of California did the same and were only blocked by Gov. Jerry Brown. What shocks me is that a four year of was circumcised and some tribes in Africa do it at thirteen. Ouch! I grew up in South Africa where is was the norm to be circumcised even by non Jews. Health reasons and cleanliness seemed to rule and many feel it does leave a clear head for business.
19. Good
Intedi Nensak ,   Stockholm, Sweden   (06.28.12)
Finally a western court has declared it illegal to mutilate children. It shouldn't be an excuse that you're stupid (religious) to harm your kids.
20. #7
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (06.28.12)
Article 4 guarantees freedom of faith, but it seems the German Court just overruled Article 4, doesn't it? If I lived in Germany and they decided to gas all the Jews or criminalize non-surgical circumcision, I would get the hint and try to go elsewhere. In the 1930's the British prevented the Jews from going elsewhere. Nowadays the Jews have more choices.
21. Thanks to the hareidi behaviour
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (06.28.12)
who refuse to integrate in the Israeli society , who do not oppose extremists , seculars will agree with this decision , anywhere in the world . Extremism brings extremism .
22. The court stated the obvious
Tomek ,   Poland   (06.28.12)
non-medical circumcision IS serious interference in human body's integrity. It would be disingenuous to claim otherwise. The same is true about medical circumcision but at lest this one can be rationalized.
23. Stop this barberic, stane age practice
penny lane   (06.28.12)
Taking a knife to babys sexual organs. What parents in their right minds torture their children to satisfy their religious fancy. The same "doctors" that mutilate girls mutilate also boys. Send them to jail and throw away the key.
24. Logically circumcision on UNCONSENTING MINORS:
Jerry ,   The Netherlands   (06.28.12)
1. should be illegal in principle. 2. at most could be allowed based on a longstanding religious/cultural tradition. It would be an exception. (Cultural and medical difference between male and female circumcision.) The debate and argumentation should be honest and clear. It is in practice not about the absolute primacy of either philosophy&science OR religious/cultural tradition, logic OR belief or even individual OR group. It is in practice more about a reasonable, workable balance. To not see the underlying problem is merely STUPID and not worthy of the jewish mind. To confuse the subject "at hand" with totally unrelated random attacks is also STUPID. However you look at it, fysicallly and therefore in principle legally a child's integrity IS affected by circumcision. This is NOT a NON-ISSUE.
25. # 12 Ignorant!
Anshel ,   Toronto, Canada   (06.28.12)
I feel sorry for you, for you plain stupidity and/or ignorance. You are either one of the self-hated Jews or do not belong to the Jewish people and obviously, you cannot be Muslim either. At least, there is something the Jews and Muslims in diaspora can agree, the importance of ritual animal slaughter and circumcision of newborn males. This ruling of the totally misguided German judge while sitting on his brain, who wants his 15 minutes of fame, will not survive on the appeal.
26. Late cirumcision is bad. Circumcision after 8 days good.
Yaniv ,   Israel   (06.28.12)
When the penis mature during puberty and even before puberty, the nerves are developing around the frenulum and in the the skin right below the head. During an adult circumcision, more than an inch of very sensitives skin is removed and the result is less feeling in the penis. If circumcision is done immediately after birth, the nerves have not yet developed and the individual will not lose sensation.
27. germuns prefer medical experiments over circumcision ?
Moshe ,   Usa   (06.28.12)
Did I spell it right . . . . experiments ?
28. Can't help but agree
Northern   (06.28.12)
There's religious freedom of the parents, but then there's religious freedom (or freedom from religion) of the child. Why should parents have the right to dictate religion to their children? What about the child's religious freedom?
29. #17 Michael...Jackson?
Raphael ,   Netanya   (06.28.12)
He was not satisfied being a black male without his consent. So he managed to change colour and sex.
30. #22 Tomek: InPoland
Raphael ,   Netanya   (06.28.12)
They are opposed to circumcision, but not to beheading of Jews.
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