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Promote solidarity, not anti-haredi incitement
Yehuda Shein
Published: 30.06.12, 15:11
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1. Sorry Sir
Sagi   (06.30.12)
Just a load of feeble nonsense. Minorites are discriminated against in all societies, it is just a fact of human nature. I do not condone this and in fact I find it to be sad,but it is nevertheless a fact. Our Haredim are not only a minority, they are a conspicuous minority due to the very strange habits and lifestyle and even more so due to the fact that they inspire and conspire to "convert" others to their way using political clout. Correction. They have not had this lifestyle for thousands of years as per your contention. The cult of Harediism is about 250 years old and originated in Poland. It has zero to do with our tradition and history as a people. It is pure cult.
2. Oh boo hoo now they are victims
Haim ,   TA   (06.30.12)
What a load of male cow droppings, trying to paint the harideem as victims has to be the joke of the year, Get a job serve in the army Pay taxes and stay out of our lives
3. Huh??
yaakov ,   TA   (06.30.12)
Citizens of all countries have certain rights and responsibilities---it is responsibilities that are missing from this author's concerns. Does the Haredi public see itself as part of the State of Israel and are they willing to participate in its defense---the general answer is no-so far as I can see they deem themselves to be separate from the rest of the State--an independent entity loosely attached to Israel for certain benefits...this is not acceptable to the secular majoirty
4. Haredim discriminated against?
Sailor ,   USA   (06.30.12)
I just don't know where to start! The Haredim are discriminated against? The author can't be serious! They do not educate their children to be productive members of Israeli society and to give them the skills to qualify jobs in today's employment market. Men choose not to work so that they can study Torah full time. Because they do not work and as a result have low family income, they receive government financial assistance, paid for by those who do work. Due to very high birth rates, the haredi population will become a larger and larger portion of the Israeli population, and at some point, those who work will be unable to to support those who receive public assistance. The Israeli societial model is flawed and is not sustainable. The author should be writing about this issue.
5. Cry babies
Madeleine ,   Rehovot Israel   (06.30.12)
If ALL haredi men would work to support their families then they would not be discriminated against. If they won't or don't serve in the army, at least do some national service within the community. They have 8,10, 12 children or more and then cry poverty! Stop paying handouts to those who don't work but study full-time in the kollel. why sh ould one agora of tax-payers' money be given to men whose excuse for not working but staying full-time in the kollel is that they are saving the nation's soul? My 3 children not only received nothing from the government for their full-time university studies, but they held student jobs so they could at least help pay their way. We as parents paid the rest. I wonder how many of these adult males have their kolle studies paid for by their families andtake nothing from the state.
6. Is that a joke??
Marina ,   Brazil   (06.30.12)
Dear author...are you kidding me? Or that was the funniest article in the year or the most stupid... Israelis are not stupid, the DO KNOW the truth and no doubt will only laught about this article...because we cant even make a discussion of it.
7. What a load of rubbish. Haredim are discriminated?
Avi   (06.30.12)
Really? And putting the Israeli government with every antisemitic regime in the last 2,000 years that did the jews wrong? You pretentious bag of bagels. Half of the welfare laws are directed at the Haredim due to their unique lifestyle with numerous kids and high unemployment. It is the Haredi lifestyle that forces high unemployment on themselves. They receive more rights than obligations, yet they're discriminated on and should be thank for not rioting? And you actually DARE to bring the abolishment of Tal law and bringing equal burden as EXAMPLE OF DISCRIMINATION? The author makes so many retarded points but fails to back them up. How and why does the army not want more manpower? How and in what way does it only use the Tal law, something so important and discussed today in the public, simply to "exort funds from the treasury". The author should not have been given a spot on this website.
8. Cool, so we will stop giving you money
Larry ,   Or Yehuda   (06.30.12)
We will stop your child support, education system, the 1.5 billion shekels paid to you every year will not be paid. Your apartments will no longer be subsidized and you will pay the same amount as any other Jew. Wait a moment, i have just solved Israel's economic burden
9. Haredi Defense op-ed published on Shabbat
Orly ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (06.30.12)
... which the Haredim strictly observe. I'm certain that the venomously anti-Haredi op-ed will be published after Shabbat on the Internet, which the Haredim don't use.
10. support Chareidim for equal rights!
The Great Khan ,   Kandahar,Afghanistan   (06.30.12)
Yes! support Ultra Orthodox plz i like them and many are my friends there very kind and modest i dont see what the trouble is with being equals?I thought Israel was supposed to be free democratic equality? If you cant treat ur own people equally how can you ever resolve troubles with the arab?
11. Nonsense, most of this "discrimination" is self induced
Eric ,   Tel Aviv & NY   (06.30.12)
Nonsense, most of this "discrimination" is self induced. No where in history have those who want to study Torah done it at state expense, it has always been around jobs or funded by their communities - by choice. The discrimination in jobs has to do with the choices that their leaders have made to modify the education requirements to remove math, science, and English in favor of more Talmid. This makes them less employable as they lack skills needed. No other group in Israel demands that their culture or norms be forced on others who do not share them. Mixed religious and secular or Arab communities work fine elsewhere in the country.
12. Lack of understanding
Ethan Schwartz ,   Eilat, Israel   (06.30.12)
When will the Yahoos understand that the overwhelming majority of the Chardi community are Talmidim Chachamim. We should have just a small fraction of these special geniuses in the secular community.
13. As a secular person I can confirm the facts
olim hadashim ,   tel aviv/isral   (06.30.12)
as stated in the article.But I see that in the following years all this secular rubbish , which is foreign to the soul of the jewish people , will be wiped out.
14. WOW!!!! Mr. Shein really drank toooo much of the Kool Aid
tf ,   herzliya il   (06.30.12)
15. The Ultra-Orthodox are NOT thousands of years old
tf ,   herzliya il   (06.30.12)
Jews from a thousand years ago would not recognize anything Jewish about the ultra-orthodox! It is even more true that Jews from thousands of years ago would recognize anything of themselves in the ultra-orthodox!
16. Racial discrimination?!?! WTF!!! Haredim are not a race!!!
tf ,   herzliya il   (06.30.12)
It is a disgrace that Ynet publishes this kind of drivel, giving it a semblance of credibility.
17. Think of Poland days
R Narz ,   Toronto   (06.30.12)
Unfortunately, I know a little too much Polish history, much more than I would care to know. Still, let's think of how it was in those days. The idea that a huge proportion of people would do fulltime study and nothing else did not exist. Men (most of them) did whatever jobs they had and studied in their own time. What exactly is wrong with that idea? If Haredim work for wages fulltime, and choose not to partake of current electronic culture in their leisure time, so be it, that would be their choice. If they study on the public shekel, that is everybody's business.
18. It seems they get one thing very wrong
Yael Schlichting ,   Qiryat Motzkin   (06.30.12)
Hareidi are not a closed society, they are part of the society! They must work on exchange and communication with other factions of the peoples of Israel as we expect it from every other faction. The fact, that many fail must not be an excuse for others! Hareidi must work on being an integral and valuable part of our Jewish society! They must work to be recognized as valuable. Trying to enforce this recognition with demands and throwing stones. Unfortunately many Hareidi suffer from a loud and extreme faction within the their group, but this is their problem. They probably cannot solve this problem by blaming those who are not Hareidi.
19. stop anti wherever,whatever incitement
pharaoh   (06.30.12)
20. Either they remove themselves or be removed by progressives.
Michael ,   California, USA   (06.30.12)
Nobody can coexist with them anywhere in the world. The Amish have changed, even the Bantu and Zulus have changed. There is not a slightest chance Haredim can continue their ways unchanged. The best and easiest would be if their "intellectuals" set up a program of gradual change, starting with service to the state and leading to sdeparation of religion from state.
21. this guy lives in his own
david ,   Jerusalem   (06.30.12)
fantasy world, and suffers from the same dementia the haredi people suffers. thy think they are sooo special...oh poor guys. we don't let worship their imaginary friend...oh poor guys. But the part when he says it's remarkable they didn't protest really cracked me up, yeah sure, they deserve a medal, right??? the haradim protest and burn tires and close streets for every minuscule problem they have, trying to infect others with their craziness. GET THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL: FAITH IS NOT A VIRTUE BUT A MENTAL ILLNESS and believers in gods should be treated the same way society treats one who believes he's Napoleon or the one who believes Elvis' still alive and so him on the street.
22. If the penguins suffer so badly, why don't they just leave?
Scott ,   USA   (06.30.12)
23. Haredi incitement
Steve a ,   manchester England   (06.30.12)
Why should my grandchildren ,who are as devout as any Haredim ,put their lives on the line ,when they are defending their country by serving in the army whilst the Haredim do not? If every Jewish youth spent as much time as the Haredim do in a Yeshiva, there would be no one to stop Israels enemies. Are the Haredim selfish or stupid ?
24. 100% true.every word here is true.
hadad ,   u.k   (06.30.12)
25. Discrimination
Enoch ,   Toronto   (06.30.12)
Is this Yehuda Shein a comedy writer? I like a good laugh. What other satiric or comedic work did he do? I would certainly enjoy them. On the other hand, he may have just swallow the "stupid pill".
26. Ynet is best proof that haredim are descriminated at
Allan ,   PT   (06.30.12)
Almost every single day the secular media finds another thing to besmirch haredim.
27. Go to work, pay taxes, teach your kids skills
Al   (07.01.12)
and stop being my Rabbi, my kosher food supervisor, my Shabbos protector and my schnorrer. I have survived 1000's of years without you I will survive forever.
28. Haredi Discrimination
Scott ,   Haifa, Israel   (07.01.12)
The torah gives three exemptions from militarty service: the year after you marry, the year after you plant a vineyard and for cowards. Which are the haredem? There is no exemption for people to study torah. To make study of torah your vocation is to destroy torah. It is making torah the equivalent of digging a ditch. The only merit in studying torah is making time for it. A man who does not teach his son a trade teaches him to steal. A man who teaches his son that he should be paid for study of torah teaches him to destroy hashem. A man should work six days and rest on the seventh. A man who does no productive work does not merit the sabbbath. A man whose only job is to study torah merits no sabbath for he has done no work from which to rest. After all, is hos whole life is shabbat, why shouldn't he take one day and do someting for the people who actually work the other six? The only reason for torah is for hashem to provide guidance for the jew to live in this world. The sanctify it and elevate himself and this world. This world, I might add, and not eighteenth certury poland. To seperate yourselves from the rest of yiddishkeit by silly outfits and a refusal to participate the work of all jews is to destroy jerusalem. If we ever do lose jerusalem, look to the haedi for the answer. By seperating themselves from other jews they are burining our food stuffs and handing our land to the enemy. BTW...why would Jews living in israel walk around wearing goyishe slave clothes from the eighteenth century? IS that any different from building a golden calf? Keeping the customs of your slave masters in poland and forsaking hashem...
29. Would the women and baby attacked in Beit Shemesh
Haim ,   TA   (07.01.12)
Yes would the women and her baby attacked by an angry mob of harideem as the length of her hem line was not pleasing to the harideems code on how every women should dress according to their warped oullook on life, who threw rocks at her car as she was driving with her baby in the back please stop discrminating the harideem please.
30. 100% true
Vladimir ,   Yerushalayim   (07.01.12)
The true Torah Jews are hated and discriminated in Israel more than the Jews in the former Soviet Union.
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