Thank G-d, someone has some common sense and answers the obvious questions of whether the IDF really needs to draft all Haredim and all Arabs for reasons of national security. Haredi Gedolim also have more common sense than secularists imagine, and a gradual solution can be evolved.
2. Qute simple the harideem that dont serve cut their benefits
For those that dont serve, start by cutting their social security benefits including child allowance.
3. Stern is right.
We should listen to the military. They know better what the army needs, And they think strategically and are more responsible people unlike the mass media instigators and short-sighted politicians, for whom the life exists maximum 4 years - till the next elections.
4. Of course it will never come to pass
because the Rabbis have the upper hand, unless the State of Israel will become a true Torah state as it was meant to be. Seculars who will not be pleased with this and want to continue living like goyim should move to one of the non-Jewish countries.
5. blame it on the political system not Bibi
This is the fault of the coalition system which just doesn't work properly.
We have to many parties and not enough Knesset seats for them to fill so parties like UTJ, Shas and the rest of the single issue parties have a disproportionate amount of power.
We want stable government that is capable of getting things done we need all MKS to be directly elected through constituencies for a fixed term.
Have just three parties and the party with the most seats runs the country alone for a fixed term.
A system like that will end the era of single issue parties who right now control nearly 50% of the Knesset.
Until there is large scale electoral reform Israel is always going to be a backwards society where nothing useful ever gets done because governments are not going to do anything that might cause the coalition to splinter and forcing another election.
The idea you can force haredi into the work place is a joke, it would be easier to get Neutrei Karta to join the IDF than it is to force the haredi or anybody else to work.
You can't take away benefits for the same reason you can't take away benefits if they don't want to serve.
The idea that non haredi will leave the country though is scare mongering and won't happen.
People might get fustrated over haredi but they don't feel so strongly about it they are all going to quit their jobs, leave the family and go move abroad over the haredi not being in the workplace.
The haredi do need to be brought into the workplace but the way to do that is through cooperation with the Rebbe's.
If the Rebbe who leads the haredi sect that these individuals are members of says its ok to go get a job then if the government tries to help ease them into the workplace then they will look for jobs but the solution is to help them through cooperation with their spiritual leaders not dictate terms which this idiot seems to think we can do.
6. #4 Chaim allow me to explain
In case you seem to have forgotten the state of Israel was founded as a democratic country according to democratic rule and not and i repeat not according to jewish law. Hate to break it to you but we no longer beat slaves in the village green any longer, So i suggest that if you wish to live by some medevil religious law that was allegedly written over 2000 years ago that you move to Afghanistan where you will feel right at home.
7. One thing about Haredim. Their asses don't hang out from
loose trousers. So if you don't want to serve in the IDF, CYOA=Cover Your Own Ass.
8. The IDF would have to change the uniform for the Haredim...
the waistband would have to be higher to cover the asses more adequately. Changing the style of a uniform is expensive.
9. What about draft dodger seculars ?
Will those seculars pay the same sums as haredim? Haredim have no other income than their minimal stependia, while for workng seculars
these sums to pay could be part of monthly expenses.
Nora Tel Aviv
10. Is Y Net implying that
the Haredi are above the law?
If the Haredi are required by law to serve in the IDF then they shall serve
Hate to inform you Haim, Israel was founded as a Jewish state.
You as an Israeli settler should realize by now that Israel is not a democratic
state, but rather a state run by a non elected high court, the non elected media and non elected bureaucracy.
The haredim work "off the books".
Rabin and Peres in 1992 made a campaign issue of haredi army service. After the election Rabin
and Peres were too busy pandering
for haredi votes to make the haredim serve.
michael Pielet ,
In Germany after World War !, the haredi Rav Hoffman, issued a posek
that all Jewish males must serve in the
German army, chilul hashem if they did
In the German anti-semitic environment,
the Germans were looking for a scapegoat and claimed the Jews
shirked army service during World War one.
This was a lie and a canard.
However the Jews were afraid and wanted to show loyalty to the German
Today the haredim in Israel have developed their own subculture of not serving in the IDF and have no need to show loyalty to the Jewish
Conclusion the haredim in large numbers will not serve, the helonim
use the haredim as an excuse not to serve, however thank g-d the national religious will serve with
honor and distinction and save the nation.
michael Pielet ,
13. #6 So you're of the same opinion as the Arabs
that Israel was wrong for stealing the land from them. How else can you explain the reason for Jews to get this land if not because it's clearly stated in the Torah thousands of years before the secular Zionists appeared? It's the same "old fashioned" Torah that gives rules and regulations for Jews how they ought to live. A Jew cannot just pick and choose the commandment they like. Each and every Jew is obligated to heed the Torah 100%. Democracy cannot go against Torah. Torah is above everything. So if you wish to live against Torah, you can move to Afghanistan or even to Europe or America where you will feel right at home.
14. #6 Haim one more thing
Could you explain how Israel is a democracy? Just because the leaders, judges and the media are trying to convince you that it is, don't you have brains of your own to see that it's not a democracy and never was and, more likely than not, never will be? Momentarily it's run by secular Jews akin to communist Russia. What a democracy! Get your head out of the sand and stop fooling yourself.
15. Haim & Chaim
Haim, you are wasting your time arguing with Chaim. You would find more rational discourse with a Voodoo man in Haiti
16. #4, #13, #14 chaim
I hate to break it to you, but who do you think founded the State of Israel? If you answer HaShem, fine; who did HaShem use to accomplish this goal? Hint: the answer to both questions is “the seculars by a great majority”. Torah may be above everything, but the human interpretations of Torah by the rabbis are not. Even the Talmud is full of discussion and disagreement. You have read the Talmud, yes?
17. #12 michael
Yes, thank G-d that the national religious serve with honor and distinction. But they alone cannot save the nation; they do so in cooperation with the “helonim”, those who are more numerous in the IDF than the national religious. Open your eyes.