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Beit Shemesh 'helpless' fighting women's exclusion
Noam (Dabul) Dvir
Published: 04.07.12, 23:56
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1. Disgracing the name of haradim..
. ,   .   (07.05.12)
They are supposed to be pious men this is not halacha as this is a public place and laws of yichud dont apply if he really wants to he should avoid her and not put up such disgusting signs
2. Haredim want a civil war and they will get it, led by women.
Michael ,   California, USA   (07.05.12)
3. ??
Shalom ,   jtown   (07.05.12)
what does it have to do with yichud halacha miester??? blowing uop everything aint gonna help all it is , is a pitty little stupid sign asking if woman can walk on the other side of the street so that the men are not uncomfortable, it even says please:-). im not saying we need that but what is the flipping big deal. i mean grow up! do you get insulted when you see a sign by a construction area telling you not to use the side walk. its for your safty! so here it is for them. why cant we do a favor! ( and btw there is no need whatso ever to ride dowwn that street to a shopping center unless you go out of your way so this is a load of b____
4. Haredi
Mike ,   UK   (07.05.12)
THe Haredi should leave Israel and settle in the Pale of Settlement in Russia or create Gheottos in Poland. These people want to live separate lives, they have no place in modern society, a medivale and sinster bunch who should live by themselves on an Island far away from modern society.
5. # 4 Mike, does that mean 'goyim' too? TATA
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6. Beit Shemesh
Cheryl ,   Chicago, USA   (07.05.12)
As far as I know, Beit Shemesh is in Israel. If you live in Israel, you must follow the law. The last I heard, it's not against the law for women to be on one side of the street, etc. This is discrimination and has turned into hate crimes. The Haredim involved are breaking the law. If they don't want to live in Israel, which is a democracy, then they should move somewhere where they feel more comfortable. The last I heard, anyone can walk on any side of the street they want to in Israel or anywhere else, for that matter. Why are these certain Haredim so insecure that they resort to bullying? I think they need to learn TOLERANCE and learn more Torah.
7. Beit Misogynist
Cheryl ,   Chicago, USA   (07.05.12)
Beit Shemesh was not always like this. It was only in the last few years that a certain bad element of Haredi moved in and their numbers increased. It is like the "occupation" of the bad Haredi. Not all Haredi are bad or agree with this certain group. But it's beginning to look a little like Nazi Germany to me. "Women on one side of the street," women getting harassed, attacked, etc. This horrific behavior must come to an end soon and if the Israeli government won't do something about this disgraceful issue, then the Rabbeim should.
8. #3 Where did you come from?
Jerome ,   AKL   (07.05.12)
Literally speaking, as my mum says; where did you come from? FROM A WOMAN! You have no respect for women- you have no respect for your own mother.
9. No room for anti women people in Israel
Ralph ,   Caesarea   (07.05.12)
Send them to Teheran or Kabul,
10. Welcome to Afghanistan ooops i mean Beit Shemesh
Haim ,   TA   (07.05.12)
Quite obviously these so called religious men have to much time on their hands, need to draft the parasites and then cut their benefits so they go get a job.
11. In diaspora they don't dare such things!
Keren ,   IL-BR   (07.05.12)
Why should they be allowd to do such things in Israel,moreover if they don't contribute with Israel when Israel needs them? My thinking now is that they should not have representatives in the Knesset anymore.In this way ,they will live as everybody else. If they don't share,they must not be shared.
12. #5 Why are you badmouthing true TORAH Jews?
Amir Abutbul ,   Haifa   (07.05.12)
Why should these true TORAH Jews leave the holy land where they lived long before even 1 secular zionist settled there? Instead of paying a little respect to these people who devote their whole lives in studying the holy Torah, praying to G-d for YOUR survival, and keeping their communities pure and sinfree, and most importantly, living their lives as commanded by Hashem You can say about them whatever you wan't, you can demonize them it doesn't matter. Their community has 80-90% less criminal rates, their kids aren't fighting each other, aren't using drugs, are not being teased upon because they are not ''populair'' enough, their kids know how to respect their parents and the elderly unlike YOUR messed up secular enviorment. The worst thing they do is throwing a few stones and they immediatley need to get out? You are crazy just like the rest of the seculars.
13. Until the Haredim enter the 21st Century,
K ,   Chicago, USA   (07.05.12)
The majority of Jews through out the world will NOT immigrate to Israel, even if faced with extinction. We would rather die than live under a theocracy.
14. 4 - Keep em !!! ,...
split ,   US   (07.05.12)
No one misses them in those countries or anywhere where they managed to establish themselves, trust me - As a matter of fact the locals are happy that they're gone ,...
15. Haridim
David ,   Philadelphia, PA   (07.05.12)
Just remove the signs and deal with the consequences. The mayor of Bait Shemesh is a coward.
16. I will walk wherever I want
Rachel ,   US   (07.05.12)
17. public area vrs private
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (07.05.12)
in an area that is public such as a sidewalk, it is ludicrous to force women not to walk. To request, perhaps, but to force, definetly not. Men should shield their eyes from seeing immodest women, and not STARE and normal women. Not the other way around, that women should be banned since men might see them. There is NO issur in SEEING a modest women, but their is one to STARE at any lady, modest or otherwise. These animals do not know how to learn, don't learn much, understand less. They should be banned from using sidewalks and use the street like horses and cows.
18. Loss of sensitivity. Sorry for the long story.
.   (07.05.12)
I don't know what to say and I don't believe that this story I write will be posted. I also don't believe that somebody will take it seriously...but this is my sad answer on the completely low behavior of Hareidim and completely frigid behavior of most of secular women. I'm a person who was once not religious but I became religious. I understand both sides of the equation just because I lived them. I love women till now I was loved by them and I'm able to say something on the issue. I was outraged on the behavior of Hareidim which from my prospective is just Chilul Hashem. I really wasn't able to find any justification for their actions. I felt my remorse by this and even though I do believe in G-d I just wanted to do bad to any man who spits on the woman or throws a stone. A woman is too Holy to do it towards. A few weeks ago I was finishing the long queue in my local store right near the salesman: I was ready to pay. Suddenly I felt that somebody on the back pushes me, like 5-10 times (had it been one or two I wouldn't have noticed, since everybody is impatient in front of the cash register...) I'm tall so it was right in the middle of the back. I turned back on the knock # 5 and I was about to literally puke. The woman was knocking me with her breasts to my back. Had I done the same with my man's place to her back it would be considered a sexual offense: not once, no twice: many times. The first second I was ready to puke not because I was so religious, just because I was disgusted. It is like sex in the crowd. But two ideas passed through my mind at the same time 1) If I say something now I'll be punished by the secular media which likes the HOT cases 2) But the second idea was much better: I looked at this lady (middle age not so good looking even educated and decent) and noticed that.... what do you think that I have noticed? I noticed that she didn't notice anything. She f***ed me literally (!) with her actually big breasts and she didn't notice anything! Not once, not twice. I mean 5-10 times. This second idea has shown to me the solution: many secular women (I'm afraid to say men too) are just frigid. They lost (I mean literally lost) the sense of sexuality, of woman's body, of touch and so on. I know it sounds crazy but I'm not the only one who says it. I see many signs of this. Too many almost naked young and beautiful secular girls walk the street, too often youngsters touch each other without any reason. Too much of everything brings...contempt and loss of sensitivity to the issue. I looked at the face of that woman one more time and just saw her frigid in bed: yes it is seen on the face! I often see this, thank G-d, I have seen wonderful loving women so I have something to compare with. This stopped me from saying the word to her... I walked home from the store and just had a compassion on poor Hareidim: they really believe that naked girls they see in the streets are whores...No! The girls just lost any sense of this at all! I think it is more a tragedy than a comedy! It is hard to explain to Hareidi man that the secular girl in the bikini is just.....a poor frigid soul which doesn't even know what to take off to be a little sensing and sensed.... P.S. Actually Hareidim do feel sex: they don't have too much of it!
19. She is simply trying to start trouble
A local non-charedi ,   Bet Shemesh, Israel   (07.05.12)
This woman is nothing more than a rabble-rouser. This street is in a secluded All-Charefi area. It does not lead to a shopping center. There is a small supermarket, which has no value to anyone outside the neighborhood. Stop starting trouble!!!
20. Lets send all this savages to Iran!
Phoenix ,   Israel   (07.05.12)
Haredim will love to live in Iran, besides they are useless here and only cost the state millions of dollars each year. They are useless, don't learn, don't go to the Army, don't work and live from our taxes and yet... They hate us! We are not kosher but they just love our non kosher money! Disgusting savages!
21. These signs are as disgusting as the old...
clara ,   Paris, FR   (07.05.12)
"Jews are forbidden to enter the park" or "For Whites only"." Disgusting.
22. #3 Brush up your Hebrew
Ariel ,   Modi'in, Israel   (07.05.12)
... where on the sign does it say please? At best it says that "women are REQUESTED not to walk down the sidewalk". I guess you are one of the ilk that cannot withstand the "temptation" of a woman being in your presence, Chemical castration highly recommended for these perverts!!
23. Look on oneself
Stephan ,   Munich, Germany   (07.05.12)
Haredi Jews should turn their eyes on their own deeds. There is no danger in passing a woman on the sidewalk.
24. ??
Roman ,   Moraga, CA, USA   (07.05.12)
#3 - Don't lie - the sign does not say "please" anywhere.
25. Take legal action
Scarborough1414 ,   Scarborough, Ontario   (07.05.12)
Hot-heads will scream expel the Hareidim, kill them, make them suffer. This is not the Jewish way. Sue them instead, bankrupt them, make them spend every waking moment in court. Sue them for damages on every affront, and make them pay big awards towards aggrieved victims. Keeping them (and their lawyers) busy in court will keep them out of trouble (and out of money).
26. these people are instigators-Author, Dov Lipman, Hadasa
michael ,   RBS   (07.05.12)
looking to cause a fight, this is a TINY block in their neighborhood... it does NOT affect us in anyway...........leave it alone...dont cause trouble
27. charadim or loonies?
ma nishma ,   modiin   (07.05.12)
Things that are this extreme are beyond the realm of religious observance but rather in the realm of the lunatic fringe. I pity Beit Shemesh and their normal citizens for having to live with these animals. They are not religious, rather, plain nuts who take extreme views and say that this is what G-d wants from us. It is not!
28. Looking for Trouble
Mark ,   Israel   (07.05.12)
""Women ask me why I care about the sign as it's a haredi district. My reply is that this is a main road leading to a shopping center." - The "shopping center" is a short row of small shops in the middle of a haredi area, while there are many more shops just down the road in a mixed area. The sign is only seen by people who live there or by people looking for trouble. Why doesn't she rather protest about the rapes that happen in tel aviv by non-religous men?
29. #3 - just want to say one thing to you
Chaya ,   Tel Aviv   (07.05.12)
YOU ARE AN IDIOT
30. #18 - wonderful - thank you
Chaya ,   Bat Yam   (07.05.12)
You are probably right. Those that are truly sensual don't have to flaunt it.
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