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Bad news from Holland
Manfred Gerstenfeld
Published: 18.07.12, 00:36
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31. Holland
Floriane ,   Israel   (07.18.12)
I believe it is Time for Israel to show its strenght in declaring war to Iran. the more we wait, the more we are going to be humiliated and eventually cornered to make more concessions hurting us
32. Im eyn anu lanu az mi lanu?! BIG ISRAEL for BALANCE=OUR TASK
Jerry ,   The Netherlands   (07.18.12)
33. Holland and Europe
Yisraeli   (07.18.12)
Lets face it no matter what elections in Holland produce, europe is doomed, they just dont quite get it yet. France, Belgium, all Scandinavian countries, former eastern bloc, all their former cultures are slowly being eclipsed by the invading culture of islam. Just imagine what europe will look like in 2050. You dont have to be a genius to see whats on the horizon. Bottom line, Jews should NOT continue to reside in europe no matter where. The Holocaust should have taught them that simple fact. Jews have no future in Europe no matter what their economy may be. Israel should continue to do whats good for Israel and not pay europe any attention whatsoever, they are collectively becoming a non entity and 'useful idiots' for other agendas. All we need is true Jewish leaders in Israel that will eventually come. The bolshevik, leftists, useless pretend right are all in their last days. Appeasement hasnt worked and theres a new generation coming in.
34. #16,#27
Intedi Nensak ,   Stockholm, Sweden   (07.18.12)
Please don't judge these talkbacks as the voice of Israel, the talkbackers here that appear to come from Israel are in fact foreign jewish supremacist zealots, mostly americans and/or haredim, who will hate you no matter what you do since you're a filthy goy and therefor owe a debt to the jewish superiour beings. They usually don't even speak hebrew that's why they're here on the international site instead of the original hebrew site. They're widely hated in Israel for their arrogance aswell. The hebrew site where the actual israelis are found is always much more balanced and friendly :)
35. #13. Judea and Samaria legally belong to Israel.
Chaim ,   Israel   (07.18.12)
#13. Judea and Samaria legally belong to Israel. This fact has been proven, incontrovertibly, by many of the world's finest international law experts. Palestine is a fictional land that never existed and never will exist. Like Oz, Neverland and Atlantis.
36. Daniel , # 21 TRY # 2
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.18.12)
You wrote : ...in WOII their real face came out . Yes there were many collaborators , but also 5204 Righteous amongst the nations . Poland were there were 20 times more Jews , so more possibilities to save people , have 6399 Righteous . And in the Netherlands it was also dangerous . You have to know , and i wrote it already , in Holland everyone had to register his religion at the town hall . Long before WWII and till the 1990's . It was easier for the nazis to find Jews . Dutch tolerance for Jews was a result of many of them , being Protestant , they were also persecuted . In the Netherlands they favor the "weak" ones . Israel had a very strong support then , with many shops showing posters : buy products from Israel ! after the 6 day war in June 1967 . Sadly this has changed ,
37. To: No. 10
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.18.12)
The Netherlands is small and very insignificant. This may come as quite a shock to you, but no one really cares what the Dutch think -- about anything. You are not remembered for the Old Masters, or for Leeuwenhoek, or for the Dutch East India Company. The only things anyone knows about Holland are tulips, windmills and the fact that the Dutch were the most eager and willing of all Nazi collaborators.
38. Dutch business
Gretha ,   the Netherlands   (07.18.12)
I guess it has a reason because there is a free translated rule in Dutch "waving with all breezes", they know how is their character, nothing, walking with everybody, good or bad, business is business, Money is money. Oops I forgot I'm Dutch :).
39. "Bad News"? Actually, very good news.
Avi ,   NYC, USA   (07.18.12)
The world is slowly bet surely realizing the Israeli game. The mask is off...and our collective true face has been revealed. Anticipate more disgust from the "Goyim". However, we could always brush it off as "Antisemitism".
40. #13 You world is not so civilised
Phil ,   Ireland   (07.18.12)
You have no problem with Palestinians building illegally but don't like it when Israel builds legally on Jewish land. Sounds like you're the facist! By the way, how's the obsession going?
41. #15 Dear RM
Phil ,   Ireland   (07.18.12)
Israel would mind it's own business if Holland stopped poking it's nose in Israel's.
42. To: No. 13
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.18.12)
Which "civilized" world? The one that sat back and watched as six million Jews perished in the Holocaust? The one that presided over the slaughter of one million civilians in Iraq and seven million civilians in Afghanistan? Or perhaps you're referring to the British criminals off convict transports that wiped out two-thirds of the Aboriginal population of Australia? I suppose we can also talk about the "civilized" acts in Rwanda some years back. Or the ongoing "civilized" massacres in the Congo. In the Ivory Coast. In Sierra Leone. In Nigeria. We can look a bit further back and discuss Cambodia. And Vietnam. Or the civilized way in which the Allies dispatched almost three million German civilians by carpet bombing that country to its knees. Of course, there is the "civilized" manner in which the United States dispatched over one million civilians in the firebombing of Tokyo, and several hundred thousand more in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So, can you be a little more specific, please? Which "civilized world" are you referring to? Perhaps you can offer up a reason why Israel would have any desire to have a place in such a "civilized" world. Don't you dare lecture us on civilized behavior. Israel is the most civilized country on the face of the earth. I dare you to suggest otherwise.
43. That's why I alredy subscribed to elections overseas: GEERT!
Tevye ,   Chelm   (07.19.12)
44. FINALLY ADMITTING
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (07.19.12)
I am finally admitting that I was raised in Holland, which was not a great experience being the son of Holocast survivors. I am not going to point out that all the beautifull old Dutch towns and cities are build on money made over the backs of their once colonized lands of South Africa, Indonesia, Surinam and the lucrative slave trade. Also the Holocast was not one off Hollands best episode in history, were many colobarated with the Nazis and were the Dutch Police and railroad workers made sure that most Dutch Jews dissapared into Germany and Poland on a free one way ticket journey. Ofcourse there were and are nice decent Dutch people, but in general especially now they have become a very weak and spoiled people who can not withstand any hardship. Their so-called tolerance for their Muslim population is mostly based on appeasement and fear, hoping that it will turn out ok for them. Divine justice has already partly taken place, while with the help off the Dutch 85% off the Dutch Jews got whiped out, they now are replaced by over 1.2 milion Muslims and that number is growing fast. Number two will be that the Dutch will experience financial hardship in manners they can not imangine now and that will be their hardest punishment. Because you take away money from the Dutch and they will shrivel up into nobody"s.
45. Dutch people
KY   (07.19.12)
Need to remember the large number of British and American Jews that took part in the liberation of Holland from the Nazis. My father was one of them at Eindhoven and Arnhem. A lot of the Dutch were probably not aware of this as they didn't wear skullcaps or have beards and they wore army uniform and spoke English . How many Arabs helped to liberate Holland?
46. this is true unless geert wilders gets more of a say
someguy   (07.19.12)
47. #45 follow up
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (07.19.12)
How many Dutch fought those liberators to stay in Nazi hands? Over 50,000 Dutch volunteered to service in the SS. That is equal to some 5 divisions of troops.
48. short memories
KY   (07.19.12)
At the end of the war the Dutch people were in a sorry state. The Nazis had plundered the country and thousands upon thousands od Dutch people, specially children just died of starvation. This is how much regard the Nazis had for the Dutch. even if 50000 had volunteered for the SS. The population were so happy to see the British army arrive and relieve their suffering it was a time of time of great joy for the whole nation except those who had collaborated. There were many Jews amongst the liberating army . It should be remembered that Arab sympathies, largely, were always with the Nazis. It is hard to understand why the Dutch people are inclined to forget so easily.
49. article mr.Gerstenfeld
H.Nihom ,   Net anya   (07.19.12)
He should react after the elections and not compose a very negative article on not yet proven figures. Holland till today is a very good friend of Israel and that does not change.
50. # 37 Sarah B.the Dutch were the most
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (07.21.12)
eager and willing collaborators,except for the others,the madiars,the romanians,the lithuanians,the ukrainians,Dutch Bishops were killed by the germans for protesting the persecution of the Jews,the great hero, pius the 12th took notice of what happened to the Dutch Bishops and kept a low profile concerning the german extermination of the Jews of Europe,today, Holland like the rest of Europe is pointing fingers at Israel,ignoring their real enemy,the muslin invasion.
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