Environment  Animals
New bill seeks to ban fur sales in Israel
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Published: 31.07.12, 07:17
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1. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Talula ,   Israel   (07.31.12)
No-one needs to wear animal fur - it's sick and disgusting and above all - WRONG!
2. gad zooks! what about my striemel?
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (07.31.12)
Women don't wear fur anymore so who is this law aimed at?
3. Wishful thinking...
A Jerusalemite ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.31.12)
So long as the Haridim have the influence that they do this law will never pass - haval!
4. Ban Fur
NYC Girl   (07.31.12)
Nobody needs to wear fur. It's cruel and revolting regardless of what the reason is....and that includes ridiculous-looking religious garb.
5. What will the Haredim wear on Shabbat?
M. Davison ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (07.31.12)
To the best of my knowledge, a shtreimel can cost up to more than $5,000 (US) if it's made of Russian Sable tails. The irony is that it was originally intended to make Jews different and an object of ridicule on their Sabbath. The Haredi rabbis became "holier than the Pope" by adopting it and making it fashionable among the Haredi men, proving that they can twist anything they want to suit their purposes. When Haredim are complaining that they mostly live below the poverty line, there's no good reason to spend so much money on a single item of clothing when an imitation fur shteimel would be more compatible to Judaism (tzaar ba'alei haim). An imitation fur shteimel can be purchased for as little as $30, saves animal lives, is indistinguishable from real fur and suffers less from the weather.
6. ISRAEL AND THE FUR LAW
Amnon   (07.31.12)
Holyer than the pope as always the jews are the first to shot themself in the foot,fur was always a jewish business and to be a furrier was a good and honest profession,today in Israel you have to be a IT or a lawyer not a handy maor women,no more a plumber,welder or electrician ,that is benet you litle know all.
7. HaShem clothed Adam and Eve with animal fur, so it is all
Rivkah   (07.31.12)
right to buy and sell and wear animal skins that are not endangered species.
8. streimels
i ,   jerusalem   (07.31.12)
there is also a market for Canadian sable, that is easier to come by and cheaper, and there is a sect where the boys also wear them, and for this they have discovered imitation fur.
9. @5 there are other ethnic & racial groups who adopted....
Jew ,   JewLandia   (07.31.12)
derogatory terms or clothing as badges of honor. It is what human beings do. Don't believe me? Well then let's walk down memory lane and think about the expression "My N..ger!"* used as an expression of affection between African-Americans in the United States in the 1960s. The "N" word is a derogatory term originally used in the Southern United States by whites.
10. it won't pass
Jew with Cojones ,   Israel   (07.31.12)
Remember when the rabbis tried to do away with human hair wigs because the hair used had been purchased from pagan temples in India? It didn't work because of a little something called "market needs". Same thing here, our frummies won't give up their striemels. And they will cause a coalition crisis over it too! just watch
11. Not really
Boaz ,   Jerusalem   (07.31.12)
Original streimels were nothing less than Polish and Russian furhats wore by nobles in the XVIII and XIX centuries. The story so often repeated that the shtreimel began with a decree of the Czar to humiliate the Jews has absolutely no historical foundation.
12. No. 7 Rivkah
NYC Girl   (07.31.12)
The issue isn't whether or not the animal is endangered. The problem is that any fur product is the result of animals being tortured and killed and that's what outrages those who are in favor of the ban....and rightly so.
13. Yes, Really # 11
M. Davison ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (07.31.12)
"The story so often repeated that the shtreimel began with a decree of the Czar to humiliate the Jews has absolutely no historical foundation." Three different professors of Jewish history. two ay Bar-Ilan University and one at the Hebrew University disagree with you. I think I know who I prefer to accept as an authority.
14. #12 has obviously taken leave of her senses
Christian ,   Sweden   (07.31.12)
Her talkback is certainly a good example of secular fanaticism of the worst kind. To kill an animal is placed on a level with torturing it. Now, if that is the case we should of course also ban the sale of leather products and meat. And rest assured, the ban of fur products is only the prelude to the demand for the banning of leather and meat. In the face of this secular fanaticism I'm strongly inclined to stick to my religious fanaticism and in that way being able to wear my fur hat, leather shoes and have some beef on the table. If that makes me cruel and insensitive, so be it.
15. No. 14 Christian
NYC Girl   (08.01.12)
I'll try to overlook your hostile and nasty response to my talkback, but apparently you're unaware of the fact that many of the animals used for furs are tortured before they're killed. For instance, some of them are subjected to internal electrical shocks in order to not damage their coats. And if I'm a secular fanatic, it's probably because of religious hypocrites like you.
16. I never stop
elinor ,   KL, Malaysia   (08.01.12)
Israel, there are many many reasons why I never stop loving you, every day I find a new reason for why I will never stop... loving you. Am Ysrael Chai
17. 12, 15 NYC Girl: HaShem killed animals to clothe Adam and
Rivkah   (08.01.12)
Eve before they left the Garden of Eden after they sinned. If it is all right for the Lord to kill animals to provide clothing from the skins for Adam and Eve, it is all right for people to do the same. Humane killing is what should be done, not banning of animal skins for clothing and shoes. The electrical stunning is at the head so the animal dies instantly or the animal is hit on the head to knock it unconscious or kill it that way. The terror for the animals is in seeing animals ahead of them killed. If pens are S shaped so the animals behind don't see what is happening to the animals ahead of them, that would be more humane. But to ban leather products to save the cattle on the Earth from having their lives shortened is ridiculous. Look at India where the people starve and the cattle are gods to see how ridiculous your comments are.
18. Does the law include Hasidic Shtraimels?
Essie HaKohane ,   Florida, USA   (08.01.12)
19. No. 17 Rivkah
NYC Girl   (08.01.12)
Actually, I think we're talking about two separate issues here. Many of the animals that are used in the making of furs (not leather or for food) are subjected to a particularly hideous procedure because of the necessity to keep from damaging the animals' coat in any way. But having a weak stomach for things like that keeps me from describing the method in any detail. Not only that, but because these days there are synthetic alternatives to fur that are just as warm, a lot less expensive, and look just like the real thing, there's really no reason to kill animals which aren't even going to be used for food....which for some people I realize might be a mitigating factor.
20. Two things for Rivkah.
Henry from New York ,   Currently in Israel   (08.01.12)
One, just because it happened in a story doesn't mean we should do it in real life. For another, cows are primariily killed for food and in the case of kasher killings, are killed in the least possible way. The leather is a by-product. The idea here is to protect animals solely killed for their fur, like foxes (in this case, just the tails).
21. Correction to #20: *least painful way
Henry from New York ,   Currently in Israel   (08.01.12)
22. We tried that 2 years ago. No?
Avi   (08.01.12)
The law was repelled not because of Canada or Norway's pressure (they export it) but from the Haredim who needed their hats.
23. #22 - It specifically states the law only affects domestic
Henry from New York ,   Currently in Israel   (08.01.12)
production of fur and has nothing to do with foreign imports.
24. 19 NYC Girl: Polyester fur is flammable unless sprayed with
Rivkah   (08.02.12)
No Burn fabric spray which has to be re-sprayed after every cleaning. I woman I know stopped wearing polyester after a polyester blouse she was wearing caught fire when she was cooking when grease splattered on it. She was horribly burned all over her chest with the polyester fabric melting into her skin. Animal skins are safer. The Chinese method of skinning animals alive is horrific and should be banned.
25. 20,21 Henry from New York: In Japan, cats don't have tails
Rivkah   (08.02.12)
or rarely do since cat tail soup is a delicacy that Japanese like to eat. That does not affect the cat population of Japan, so foxes without tails would not affect the fox population of the world. Cutting off the tails of cats or foxes would be painful, but apparently it heals since so many cats in Japan have no tails from people cutting them off for food.
26. Once upon a time the fur trade in Montreal supported many
Al   (08.03.12)
Jewish familes..It was known as a Jewish business. Of course today everyone wants to save the world, be tikun olam and all that other BS.. As to fur in Israel,,,when was the last time any one of you went thru a -20C --40C freeze? Tell me about it when it happens.. Fur is a blessing in very frigid temps..besides a mink on a good looking women makes her look like a million bucks.
27. Fur
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (08.03.12)
I have a mink coat and all this whining about killing animals for ego or fashion is just more political BS. The last time I looked, animals are a renewable, natural resource, whereas the "ingredients" for polyester and the like is oil, most definitely not a renewable resource. If you have doubts, look at the prices for gasoline. BTW, for people to scream about the fur trade, while eating meat is the height of hypocricy. A close look at how cows, chickens, etc. are raised for food made me stop eating meat. It's totally disgusting. Give me fish, oysters, clams, shrimp and veggies any day. At least they don't scream in agony when they're being "harvested." BTW, I wonder for how much of a comedy act native Alaskans would take people trying to tell them to exchange their seal fur for polyester.
28. to NYC girl
Bluegrass Picker ,   Afula   (08.03.12)
city people have NO IDEA what is the real world of agriculture. I bet you never saw a combine in action. Your wheat, corn, soybeans reach you at the cost of millions of mice killed by the rotating blades. Bet you have never even seen a real fur farm. City people are truly disconnected from reality.
29. No. 24 Rivkah
NYC Girl   (08.03.12)
Don't worry. We're now in the 21st century.....and science has progressed way beyond polyester.
30. #25 - A cattail is a type of plant called a typha...
Henry from New York ,   Currently in Israel   (08.03.12)
I could find NOTHING on the tails of actual cats being used in any kind of food production (that we know of). Could you please give an argument that is based in reality and not on lack of research?
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