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Legalizing outposts the last thing we need
Gili Heskin
Published: 05.08.12, 11:29
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1. The author forgets one key thing
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.05.12)
The ersatz "Palestinians" who illegally squat in Judea and Samaria are Jordanian citizens. It is time to annex Judea and Samaria, and repatriate those illegal aliens to the country of their citizenship.
2. Does Gili Heskin think 3 million Palestinans are our friends
rebecca ,   Modiin   (08.05.12)
Please, what difference would this make to the already very aggressively anti-Israel Palestinians? All it is is another excuse for them to "hate" us, and as they have so many already I cant see this making any difference.
3. What Author and Many Other Don't Get
EGGM ,   Petah Tikva, Israel   (08.05.12)
What the author of this article and many other Israelis both on the left and the right don't get, is that real judges are supposed to be impartial, and their judgments should be based on the law. Because of Aharon Barak and his cronies, we're seeing a severe deviation from this path in our official court system, but it is good to know that there are still some professional judges left, even if they retired. Judge Levy did not side with the right or the left, he made a legal argument that happened to be more amenable to right-wing positions. Instead of criticizing him for it, we should be praising the man who didn't give in to the phony "political activism" and did his job.
4. Sarah B
(08.05.12)
Even you feel that we are aliens, history says that we are here from thousands of years, is not that enough to become legal citizens.
5. gili is wrong according to ettinger
milson   (08.05.12)
First there are only 1.5 millin arabs on the west bank, not double the amount. Second, israel is claiming its right -san remove, balfour and defensive war 67 to rightful possession as it should. The land belongs to israel, a claim that oddly for Gili would get more respect from zohar instead of behaving like the bloody wimps of haaretz who admit that they are afraid. An israeli strip including the ridges and the jordan valley actually benefit israel in huge strategic ways and the arabs for the most part do not live in the settlment areas. So quit with the bullsh*t. And once the arabs see the jews are serious, they will begin voluntarily to move out over time or in case of war which will come and they will inevitably leave, many of them if they are wise. Stop behaving like olmert. No one is talking about jews living in the arab areas at this point in time.
6. What 3 Millions?
Yosi ,   Gilo, Jerusalem   (08.05.12)
Are you counting all the cows, chickens, donkeys and mice too? Enough of these fictions. Tell the truth for once. they're lucky if there are 1.6 million, even with Olmert trying desperately to bring in more during his tenure. Trust me, they'll go back home to Jordan, Egypt and Syria once they realize that Israel won't be defeated.
7. TIME TO TELL THE TRUTH !
OF ,   Belgium   (08.05.12)
Britain NEVER got a Mandate for "Trans-Jordan" from the League of Nations, as some people believe. This territory, called today "Jordan" was created by the British, by breaching in a scandalous way Article 5 of the Mandate for Palestine. Article 25 of the Mandate gave the British the possibility to "postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions..." As this was a temporary decision, Jordan, as it is called today, remains part of the Jewish National Home, the territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Desert of Arabia. Jordan, today, thinks to be in its full right to refuse any Jewish citizens, keeping its boundaries "Judenrein" while Israel should be obliged to keep an Arab population in Judea and Samaria of Jordanian Nationality. There must come an end to this comedy ! As Israel's rights to settle in the so called "West-Bank" in full accordance with International Law, is emerging to full daylight, Jordan will not be able to escape the fact of being involved in a population settlement in this region !
8. 3 millions? In your dreams!
trump ,   eurabia   (08.05.12)
Obviousely, you are not an eagle in maths.
9. Reality
michael Pielet ,   israel   (08.05.12)
Now let us speak to reality. Israel is not going to allow the creation of an arab terrorist state in Judea and Samaria. The arabs in Judea and Samaria belong to the arab nation and will never become citizens of israel. The arabs currently have the right to vote and control their lives on the local municipal level. No arab army west of the Jordan. All jews have the right to live in Judea and Samaria. Israel has the best claim of sovereignty over Judea and Samaria, no need to exercise that claim at this time. Heskin's solution is ridiculous and places Israel is existential danger. No sane Israeli government would ever adopt his crazy ideas.
10. To: No. 4
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.05.12)
You have fallen victim to your ridiculous and mendacious propaganda. What history says -- well-documented history, I might add -- is that you come from the Hejaz in the Western Arabian desert, and you came following the end of World War I, at the urging of the British, who wanted to get you away from all that oil which they had hoped to exploit for themselves. You are also carefully overlooking the fact that those of you who reside in Judea and Samaria (illegally) are Jordanian citizens. You people are the quintessential nomads, and have never set down roots anywhere -- you'd bleed the land and its resources dry, and then move on. That's all you've done. But since Jordan was generous enough to grant you and your progeny Jordanian citizenship irrevocably in 1954, you are going to be their problem. We're going to send you home. The last thing on earth Israel needs or wants are you disreputable, violent and terrorist lot as citizens of the State of Israel. We don't have to extend citizenship to you, and we won't. 'Bye.
11. annexaction
mikie ,   Denver, USA   (08.05.12)
Why doesn't Isreal annex the whole West Bank? Is ita because then the Palestinians there would get the right to vote.
12. Very strange question you ask:
leo ,   usa   (08.05.12)
"Does Levy Committee really believe Israel needs another three million hostile Palestinians?" Do you really believe these three millions of Palestinians are not hostile today?
13. $4, it has never mattered to you and now all of a sudden you
leo ,   usa   (08.05.12)
want it to become important. How times have changed, hah.
14. what's the connection?
israel israeli ,   tel aviv   (08.05.12)
"Legalizing outposts" has nothing to do with a peace agreement. As the events of Gush Katif proved, in Israel Jews can be violently evicted and their homes razed at the whim of a corrupt junta, even if the homes are perfectly legal. If some day there will be a peace agreement with the Arabs, no government will have any problem sending troops to attack the Jews. Legalization will only prevent corrupt Civil authority bureaucrats, violent police and sleazy politicians from violating basic human rights of Jews.
15. To #1 Sarah B
Bertram ,   London, UK   (08.05.12)
Since you allege the 'ersatz' Palestinians 'illegally squat in Judea and Samaria' why not argue the case in court rather than waste your time endlessly with talkbacks?
16. Nothing will change this hostility towards Israel.
Doug R ,   Wales   (08.05.12)
The number of hostile Arabs, whether you call them Palestinians or not, is an irrelevance. The Levy Committee made its assessment upon legal grounds. This legal premise extends back to the San Remo peace accord, the Balfour Declaration and the League of Nations Mandate for then-Palestine. The very presence of Jews in the Land promised to them as an everlasting, divine inheritance, will never be accepted by the Arabs/Muslims who look upon the Land as being theirs and perpetually Islamic. The Hebrew-Christian scriptures depict quite clearly the prophetic events surrounding Jerusalem, the nations and the end-times. The ongoing scenario fits into this context, and it isn't a matter of worrying about the inevitable hostility among Israel's enemies, it is a matter of looking towards Israel's G-d and what He has had to say about the issue, and what He continues to say.
17. Friendship? in the eye of the beholder.
Buskila ,   South America   (08.05.12)
Having Ms. Heskin the khutzpa to dwell on the authority of Former Cjief Justice Levy, is just speak for her inability to come up to the level of wisdom and prespectives. She keeps asking whether Israel needs millions of unfriendly Israeli Palistinians citizens to the Nation: well, in first place she presupose the outcome of the future, and manages to be racist of the first category by calling the current Israeli Palistinans as non-friendly citizens!!! Generalisation made with the same attitude that was made for the Maroccan Jewery when Golda Mayer asked exactly the same question as Heskin's "whether we need such a group of IGNORANT, UNCEVILISED, and UNPRODUCTIVE people as future citizens of Israel.
18. perpetuation a big mistake
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (08.05.12)
Ynet says: "the land was not captured from the Palestinians, but from Jordan. " What the report said was that the land that was promised by the British was conquered by the Jordanians in '48 and then taken by the Israelis from them in '67. There was never a 'Palestinian' entity there. It was a land promised to us by the two faced Brits, who cared nothing for us, but their own lying skins. It was they who created the problem and it is they who continue the lie in order to ingrain themselves with the Arabs to get oil.
19. the little king of jordan will soon be killed and all the
Father Abe   (08.05.12)
arabs in Israel can move back to their country!
20. To: Larry at No. 18
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (08.05.12)
The land was not "taken" from the Jordanians in 1967. It was re-acquired by Israel in the course of fighting a defensive war against Jordan. Jordan has about the same recourse as did Germany, Italy and Japan following World War II -- each lost major amounts of territory; sovereign territory, at that -- which is to say, no recourse at all.
21. Totally inaccurate leftist scare mongering.
Chaim ,   Israel   (08.05.12)
Where are the "three million Palestinians" hiding? Highly credible American and Israeli studies failed to find them. They found approximately half that number of Arabs living in Judea and Samaria. Do this little experiment. Google the population for the ten biggest Arab cities in Judea and Samaria. Add them up. Double the result and you still won't get anywhere near 3 million Arabs. It's a leftist fantasy figure. Nor does Israel have any obligation to make hostile Arabs into citizens. Pay them to leave our land. They belong in Jordan.
22. Tour Guide?
Joe Sombrero ,   USA   (08.05.12)
A tour guide makes this guy a expert on International Law.? At least I took international law in University. The law only gives bibi the flexibility to make Israel's borders and legalize areAs that are to be annexed no one is sayin annex 3 million Arabs nitwit.
23. Here's why he says "3 million"
Guy ,   KC, USA   (08.05.12)
Although the World Bank and American-Israeli Demographic Research Group long ago pointed out the 32% gap between the PCBS' 2007 population projections and first-grade enrollment stats for Arabs in Judea and Samaria, and Border Police data on emigration also suggest nearly 1 million fewer Arabs reside there than the PCBS' projections, journalists (and evidently, tour guides-cum-journalists) bandy about the discredited population projections as though they substantiated an inevitable demographic tidal wide whose mere mentioning would bring Israel to chop off pieces of its body for "peace." But it's clear that a 2007 forecast that just reapplied the 1997 growth assumptions is not the same as actual census data; the border fence created its own peace between Israel and Areas A and B; Area C was recognized by the PLO at Oslo as Israel's jurisdiction; and a new Jewish population center in the Jordan Valley would remove any remaining political leverage possessed by the PA.
24. To No. 20 Sarah B
Bertram ,   London, UK   (08.05.12)
I believe Jordan renounced its claim to the West Bank - and to its inhabitants - in the 1980s. Waiting for a response to my question at no. 15.
25. TO BERTRAM # 15 and 24
FO ,   Belgium   (08.05.12)
Perhaps post number 7 could give you some answers to your questions !
26. TO LARRY # 18, A CORRECTION IF I MAY !
FO ,   Belgium   (08.05.12)
The land was not promised by the Brits. The Brits have been appointed by the League of Nations to be the Mandatory, and implement the road map voted in 1922 unanimously by all the 51 members of the League, under the name "The Mandate for Palestine". The Mandate had as goal the creation of the "Jewish National Home, the Jewish State in the making.
27. #7 OF
DavidR ,   USA   (08.05.12)
Finally, at long last, I thought it would never happen, but You, my brother has told the truth regarding "so called" Jordan and their illegal squating on Eretz Israel. You have correctly stated the borders given by HaShem to Israel as a possession forever. I believe today that most Israelis would be content with Yhudah and Shomron but that is falling way short of the actual Land grant from the One who is able to enforce it. AND HE WILL!!
28. Sara B 20 you love to add semantics The land was taken from
Ari ,   Jerusalem   (08.05.12)
Jordan in a defensive war- The Late KIng HUssein said " We waged a war against Israel and we lost. We have to pay" Those are words from Hussein that I heard in a TV clip some time ago. He was being filmed so there was also image. Dont fight over small words who have identical meaning. One more thing English is not my mother tongue, so if there is any mispelled words or my grammar is not perfect I hope ypu will understand .
29. annex it all
jack bauer   (08.05.12)
then if people support terror give them a one way bus trip to the border of jordan or egypt. Only those 5th column who can swear to live loyally and peacefully should be able to remain. Our neighbors are savages, lets not pretend we can all sing kumbaya around the campfire
30. Not just any tour guide
Ilan   (08.05.12)
Ask him what happens when you bring in a bullet in your bag when visiting India.
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