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Gentlemen, America is telling you 'no'
Eitan Haber
Published: 16.08.12, 11:06
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31. The real issue here is whether Israel
allan ,   canada   (08.16.12)
trusts Obama to support them militarily if he gets re-elected. Given Obama's past relationship with Israel, this is a real concern. Israel may feel it is better to attack before the election, to force obama's hand, even though Obama clearly doesn't want Israel to attack now, or possibly ever. God help us all. Tshuvah time.
32. (24) Dan, NYC
tiki ,   belgium   (08.16.12)
"Fighting tooth & nail to defeat the Nazi's". You are right, but not to safe Jewish lives. Perhaps it isn't taught in US schools, or you just weren't listening, but the US didn't lift a finger for the Jews! They knew in 1943 about the Nazi death camps, but prefered to look the other way! When the ship the st. Louis (full with Jews) wanted to land in the US to safe their lives (after they were denied acces in half the world) they were send back to the Nazi death camps! The Jews have learned their lesson to NEVER depend on anybody to take care of them, despite all the nice talk. Jews will defend themselves, if it suits Obama or not!
33. Response to #24
proudoleh ,   Haifa Israel   (08.16.12)
Well, at least you're honest about your ignorance. The point from #8 is not that the US did nothing -- by fighting and defeating Nazi fascism, the US prevented Nazi world rule. Rather, it's that the US had ample opportunities and the capability to save much of European Jewry, but chose not to. Given that FDR was a staunch philo-Semite for his time, while Obama is -- well, let's just call it -- less so for his time, we Jews need to think more than twice about whether to obey Obama's decrees, when it comes to our survival..
34. All you warmongering idiots ,...
split ,   US   (08.16.12)
You remind me a cat running around with a beer can tied to his tail. A lot of noise and no idea how or capable to get rid of it - You're nothing but a noisy little bully yelping 'hold me or' behind his big bro's back,...
35. What if . . . .
SD Charger ,   San Diego   (08.16.12)
Iran actually has a new warfare technology that they have been screaming about for months now? Don't forget they brought down one of the US' best technological drones without a scratch on it. What if Israel lobs a bomb toward Iran and they have the means to re-route it back at Israel, like they claim they can do now? Then what? You will not only have the US mad at you, you will have the world and Israeli citizens upset as well. THAT alone could start WWIII. I believe our governments pay large sums of money for gathering intelligence on our enemies. Maybe they KNOW something we don't? I pray Israel's intelligence are ontop of things and KNOW EXACTLY what they are dealing with when hatching their gameplan vs Iran. We saw what happened with our old intelligence method on Iraq. Let's not repeat that mistake again, please?
36. What if . . . .
SD Charger ,   San Diego   (08.16.12)
Iran actually has a new warfare technology that they have been screaming about for months now? Don't forget they brought down one of the US' best technological drones without a scratch on it. What if Israel lobs a bomb toward Iran and they have the means to re-route it back at Israel, like they claim they can do now? Then what? You will not only have the US mad at you, you will have the world and Israeli citizens upset as well. THAT alone could start WWIII. I believe our governments pay large sums of money for gathering intelligence on our enemies. Maybe they KNOW something we don't? I pray Israel's intelligence are ontop of things and KNOW EXACTLY what they are dealing with when hatching their gameplan vs Iran. We saw what happened with our old intelligence method on Iraq. Let's not repeat that mistake again, please?
37. It's not USA, it's Obama...
norman ,   france, Eurabia   (08.16.12)
It's Barak Hussein who says no. And if Israel says "yes we can" maybe Barry will stop providing IDF with planes and ammunitions. But maybe americans will stop providing their votes to barry. And he knows that very well our dear Hussein ;-)
38. Hussein O. is a Muzzie and Irans friend !!!!
Chris Rettenmoser ,   Bayerisch Gmain Germ   (08.16.12)
He is NOT Israels friend...HIS advice is POISON !
39. US say No
Floriane ,   Israel   (08.16.12)
#6 who are you to decide for Israel? You have no right, you don't live in Israƫl and don't even understand our problems. I guess we know who you Will be voting for!
40. US saying No
Floriane ,   Israel   (08.16.12)
#15 great commentary I wish more people would share your awareness
41. I know from a close friend that's met Panetta several times
michael redbourn ,   arad israel   (08.16.12)
He says that the whole of the US delegation here in Israel is pro-Palestinian. It would make sense of course, knowing who their boss is.
42. More bomb shelters, less blabbering
Tom W ,   USA   (08.16.12)
The M.E. is in the midst of total Islamist takeover: whether it's shia, sunni or salfist it doesn't matter. No country takes the US seriously anymore: the military is preoccupied with sexual matters, PC speech codes and other assorted nonsense. The majority of Americans are against any military engagement - the whole country is immersed in a "cold civil war" between racial groups, religious groups, sex driven militants and leftist anarchists like the Occupy people. There will be war and Israel will be on her own as always. Since her inception, in several wars, not a single US GI died for Israel. Not only that but during every war the "friendly" US imposed a total arms embargo on Israel: Truman, Johnson, Nixon (he relented in the end) wanted Israel to be defeated. Watch the youtube video where Samantha Power, Obamao national security advisor advises the bombing of Israel. Don't count on the USA. Concentrate on civil defense and build bomb shelters and speak less.
43. Before Obama, Mubarak was
a ,   canada   (08.16.12)
one of the U.S.'s allies in the region, and the U.S. and Israel 's leaders were on much better terms. If Israel wants to know how Obama will treat Netanyahu and Israel, and how unshakeable the bond is between the two countries after the next election, just ask Mubarak how much support the U.S. gave him.
44. to SD charger # 35
a ,   canada   (08.16.12)
Have you considered the possibility that the U.S. purposely allowed Iran to take control of the drone, in order to convince the Israelis to delay attacking Iran? This is a very complex and dangerous game, where you can't be sure who to trust. "Not in man do I put my trust..."
45. Haber is a pathetic and dangerous loser.
Chaim ,   Israel   (08.16.12)
So, according to Haber, we should let our genocidal Iranian enemies build nukes because that's what Obama wants!!! Haber is a pathetic and dangerous loser. Destroy Iran's nukes NOW!
46. dm
(08.16.12)
its kinda funny to read all this comments, most of them are anti-american. propaganda works, americans read them and see how israelis think about them, about their country. go on with insulting americans, thats what arabs want.
47. Obama not America
Brod ,   USA   (08.16.12)
Israel does not need Obama. Judeo-Christian America supports Israel. Obama is NOT Judeo-Christian America. He is eroding America's strength and greatness. Why? Dinesh D'Souza has brilliantly provided the answer to this question in his powerful Must Read book, "Obama's America" [2012].
48. #34
Ram ,   London   (08.16.12)
Well, here comes the smart guy, at long last! Mr "hate all them Jews"..Mr know it all. You couldn't care less what would happen to the rest of humanity...as long as the Jews get hit. Correct? You call Israel a bully? Well...given all the threats by the Iranian leadership to exterminate Israel and the Jews, I guess it just about says all about you. I have a feeling the results of Israel's eventual action against Iran will grossly disappoint you. Well, such is life hate-ball. After all maybe you should recheck your facts and find out who continually threatened and bullied whom.
49. # 15. & 39.....The US has everything to say....it's American
Edithann ,   USA   (08.16.12)
tax payers who are footing your bills and have for decades...including being complicit to the slow genocide of the Palestinians... So if you want to bomb Iran...go ahead, but without our help.... It would only prove there is no difference between Israeli's who think they can do whatever they want and Palestinian suicide bombers? Both suicidal..... The choice is always yours...but don't involve the US.... What history books are you reading to make such outrageous statements as 'Israel having to survive in the ME longer then the US as a nation'?...Jews lived comfortably in the ME for centuries until Israel....Get your history straight...And think about those Iranian Jews who wont go to Israel...got any reasons for that??? Floriane, you've been whining about the same thing for centuries. Maybe you shouldn't have moved into a hostile neighborhood...no one told you to steal Palestine. TATA TATA
50. #6 - What '67 "borders" are you referring to?
Scott ,   USA   (08.16.12)
51. #23 You think the Europeans will pass those?
Vlad   (08.16.12)
Get real! Israel is practically the center of the world's high-tech industry. The Europeans will try to twist Israel's arm, but they're not going to impose sanctions. Besides, Israel can always turn to China and India even if it is abandoned by the US.
52. Why can't you guys quit the Zionist agenda
Taner ,   NYC   (08.16.12)
And live together in peace with Arabs and Palestinians? Arabs know Israel is not going anywhere, and Israel knows Arabs are not going anywhere. Why not quit the nationalism and strive together with Palestinians to a better Israel? Unity is the solution guys... This conflict is helping the war mongers and weapon industry!
53. #49. Not only a racist but a very dumb one.
Chaim ,   Israel   (08.16.12)
#49 Edithann. American taxpayers are not footing the bill for Israel. Israel pays her own bills. American aid for Israel is a tiny percentage of Israel's GNP. Countless U.S. military experts acknowledge Israeli assistance to America is priceless. Compare that with American aid to Arab states like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Americans have not only sent money there. Thousands of Americans have died fighting there. Yet Americans get nothing in return. Editthann, you are not only a racist but you are a very dumb one. Ta ta.
54. #50 Scott
DavidR ,   USA   (08.17.12)
I believe he was speaking about the 1767 borders when Silver Bay ,MN, USA was actually the home of Native Americans. Then came little stevie's ancestors and killed them all and took their land. Now they pretend they are better than Israelis who only want their land back. I wish the Native Americans would do the same and kick little stevie back to Europe where he belongs.
55. Haber, you're forgetting how the Sella affair went down
Vlad   (08.16.12)
Israel remained defiant of the US, and it was only Sella himself who voluntarily stepped down to defuse tensions. While I don't agree with an Iran strike at this time, Israel has a history of defying the US when its vital security interests are at stake.
56. Eitan, the military genius.
michael Pielet ,   israel   (08.17.12)
Eitan woujld have been against Ben Gurion's decision to declare a state. Eitan would have been against Ben Gurion's decision to make war on Egypt in 1956. Eitan would have been against the Israeli attack in 1967. Eitan was against the attack on the Iraqi reactor. what is Eitan for? a burning crater where Tel Aviv used to be.
57. If we listened to America
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (08.17.12)
There would be no Jews left. They did nothing to aid us in World War II. They opposed our independence. They thought we shouldn't fight back in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and 1982. They opposed us disarming Iraq and Syria. In short anything that we do to defend ourselves - the US has opposed. Now how is that different than Europe? The left and Odumba have been wrong 100% of the time. Exactly why should we listen to either now?
58. #24
Helene ,   Merkaz   (08.17.12)
American went into war after Pearl Harbor was attacked... When the then President, Franklin Roosevelt, was told what was happening in Auschwitz and requested to bomb the camp, he just refused. They were, for him, more important things to take care of than to bomb gaz chambers. Just for your information
59. A Dream Come True
Israeli Hater ,   --   (08.17.12)
I never thought it possible for a wedge to be driven between the US and Israel. I mean, is there anything else surer to sound a death knell for Israel than the last nation on the planet that puts up with it to end the alliance? The US, of course, will do quite well without Israel. Better than before, in fact. How well will Israel do without the US? I hope we'll soon find out!
60. #52. Taner: You the funny guy
Tom W ,   USA   (08.17.12)
Pan Arab nationalism is OK, Palestine state is OK, 57 "Islamic Republic of XX" is fine,but Jews don't deserve a homeland. Am I right? Are you a relative of Obamao from Kenya?
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