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Ghosts of the past
Daniel Schatz, Ruth Deech
Published: 27.08.12, 18:16
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1. Well written!
Amchy   (08.27.12)
2. the flip side
Jared ,   Stillwater, OK   (08.27.12)
Will Israel compensate any palestinian for property taken to build settlements?
3. Why poverty?
Justine   (08.27.12)
1. Israel's gdp per capita is higher than Poland's, Jewish community in the US is very successful, Germany paid reparations...yet survivors face "poverty problems" according to the article. How come? 2. Who will compensate Poles for properties lost in the East? 3. What has direct investment to do with anything? At least I'm glad that the "baroness" now acknowledges that Poland was a victim if WW2, it wasn't the case in the past.
4. poles don't pay their bills & this is their national
Moshe ,   Usa   (08.27.12)
character. Any success they have will be, in my opinion, despoiled by H-Shem. Those who do not live by the law, die by the law. And soon, polund & their neighbors will be moooslum. Imagine that ! Then their nations will be an economic graveyard & social calamity, ruled by horrific acts of murder, crime & embezzlement that characterize the death cult religion of hate. islooom is gloom.
5. really....
jack bauer   (08.27.12)
poland was moved over. Huge areas of poland were taken in the east and given to the USSR. In todays belorus. Nobody is complaining and demanding payment for that. So part of east Prussia was taken and given to Poland. And a part even remains as Russian (kaleningrad) Poland was scooted over and large tracts of Eastern Germany were given to it. In ALL of these case millions of people were displaced most leaving their homes and receiving no recompense. While I am deeply saddened by what happened in the shoah we need to be firm in sticking to our guns with regard to what happened and where, and perpetrated by whom, but by whipping the dead horse more people end up hating us, and nothing good will come of it. The communist govt. is not the govt in power today. Millions of germans dont claim from the poles, millions of poles dont claim from the russians .... just sayin
6. Poland has much to atone for this being but one
Big bad Jew ,   United States   (08.27.12)
of her many sins against the jews.
7. Two Questions Come To Mind
World Citizen ,   the world   (08.27.12)
1) Why should the US do anything? And barring economic and or diplomatic sanctions what can they do other than pass resolution in their corrupt congress? 2) What about all the homes, businesses, land, farms, olive groves and water the Israeli zionist stole and continue to steal from the Palestinian people? The Israeli people cry out for justice so surely they can understand their need to be just? Or can they?
8. Set an example
Nina ,   NYC   (08.27.12)
A wrong was committed in the case of Palestinians. Return their properties first. It's non of US Congress's business. They should focus on the wrong done by Wall Street to US citizens instead.
9. forcing the US to do anything will only make the US angry
k ,   US   (08.27.12)
Jews need to get over it or get revenge, I am ok with either one
10. Ghosts of the past
Carol Celinska Dove ,   Bolton, Ct USA   (08.27.12)
You are kidding, right? Time has come for Israel to write a check to Poland for all the years they collected as sole victim of Holocaust. Then let Israel knock on Russia's door as they have Germany's. Historically speaking check in with the Jewish that ran communist Poland as I am sure they will find there property tied up.
11. I don't understand
Rennie Francois   (08.27.12)
is the Israeli economy so bad we are having to resort to blackmailing Poland into paying compensation for non existent losses to a country which didn't even exist until 1948? Reminding everyone it was not the Poles who confiscated Jewish property in Poland, but the Nazis who were the occupying power. Heard some stuff coming from Israel as of late but this one shows the most chutzpah.
12. Good article!
Amchu ,   New York, USA   (08.27.12)
13. Poland needs to compensate
Polish Jew   (08.27.12)
Poland is not different from other countries and should compensate Jews and Poles alike which had their property taken.
14. Poland didn't exist as a nation
Mark ,   US   (08.27.12)
Remember folks, Poland did not exist is a nation. Yes, it had a government in exile in London but it was NOT Governing Poland. Poland was occupied. The Nazi Germans were the net cause, they invaded and conquered Poland. Is it really lost on some people how important a fact that is??
15. you're out of your mind
Yosef Noyhaus ,   Givataim, Israel   (08.27.12)
the nazis = germans should compensate Israel and Poland alike for their loss. Hitler was not Polish. Why should they compensate? They were also victims and we were.
16. never
adamfrompoland ,   Poland   (08.27.12)
So many Jewish politicians are in my country (with polish surnames). You are raking up what will be given, banks, factories, TV and press. And you want the compensation?! Never.
17. Wrong Mark
Polish Jew   (08.27.12)
Mark, you are missing an important point. The polish state NATIONALIZED all of these properties after the war. Hence they have a responsibility to compensate for the nationalized properties.
18. How about a just compensation for the Palestinans
BDS   (08.28.12)
forced out in 1948 by the zionist invaders. Todate, israel has yet to return any property, goods or accounts. Return is not in their lexicon.
19. War reparations from Israel will be in the trillions
Steven Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (08.27.12)
...how much is 80,000 square miles worth in today's market? Reparations for all I say, not just Jews.
20. Jared #2 voice of ignorance
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (08.27.12)
No land was taken from the illegal Jordanian colonists. Just a minor fact. When is the US going to pay the Indians for the tens of millions of acres stolen from them? Oklahoma was called Indian Territory until the US government gave it to European colonists.
21. #14 Mark
(08.27.12)
You're referring to the time before 1945, but Poland surely didn't seize the property while the Germans were still there. It happened after the Germans had gone. As the article states: "...appropriated by the Polish communist government following the Second World War."
22. do it yourselves
jj   (08.27.12)
remember, you dont need the US for anything, right?
23. To nr 2, 3, 7, 8, 14 - All of you show you true faces
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (08.27.12)
Your excuse for hating Jews - not the reason, but the excuse to hate Jews and Israel, is the supposed "wrongdoings" against the "Palestinians". It's interesting to note that no "Palestinian" people nor state have existed in recorded history, they are Arab speaking Moslems as native to Israel as white Europeans are to Australia, and the vast majority of the Arabs weren't expelled from Israel in 1948-49 - they left voluntarily on the direct orders of the surrounding Arab regimes of the Arab states. Only a minority of the Arabs were expelled by Israel - and rightly so, since the Arabs were violent and fought against Jews and Israel from the inside. What exactly should Israel "compensate" the "Palestinians" for? What has Polish treatment of Jews got to do with Israeli self defense against Arabs? You show your real faces and intentions. Even if we assume that your wrong statements are "true", one injustice does not give legitimacy to another injustice. Let me remind you that Poland is not located in the Middle East and the Nazis and the Poles stole Jewish property during WW2. The argument that Poland ceased to exist a state during the Cold War era does not hold water since there was de facto a Polish state albeit occupied by the USSR during the Cold War. The Cold War is over, Poland is independent today and Poland has still not compensated Israel and the Jews. Germany has not compensated the Jews. Nazi Germany has stolen Jewish property that amounts to $ 300-400 billion dollars. Germany repaid only a small fraction of that. Germans can never repay their moral debt but they haven't repaid their financial debt. Poland has done even less. Israel owes the Arabs nothing since we haven't stolen a land that never belonged to them. In the case of Poland, we are not speaking of Jews claiming national rights in Poland. We are speaking of Jews that want financial compensation for private property. Why the USA should do anything? Because USA consists of mainly good people and has the power to pressure Poland. What prevents Poland from giving back what they have stolen? They are independent and they have got the money as well - our money - not theirs.
24. Lunacy
Horst ,   Ge   (08.27.12)
This is total lunacy. Jewish property was taken by the Nazis not the Poles, The Poles had their country dismembered. The continuing campaign by Israel to alienate just about every country in the world continues. I have no doubt payback will not be long coming.
25. What has the US to do with getting your property back?
Edithann ,   USA   (08.28.12)
Can't Israel ever do anything for themselves? And anyway, as the lady said...are you going to compensate the Palestinians for what you did...don't forget, they weren't at war with you.... You guys are just too, too funny and completely insane... Poland was occupied during WW2..that's why there was a war...remember? TATA
26. MY GRANDMOTHER'S FAMILY WAS 9 OF THOSE PROPERTIES
ALBERTO   (08.28.12)
WITH NO PAPERWORK, HOW CAN THEIR BE ANY JUSTICE?
27. my mom's childhood home was taken
USA   (08.28.12)
When I found out, my first words were, "That's not right. You should get it back or get compensated!" She said to me that era has passed, lots of people suffered, the people who took over her home had also been displaced from somewhere and had suffered themselves, that all those events should be left in the past, it's time to move forward.
28. 24
(08.28.12)
incorrect! yes, the nazis took everything from the jews, but, after ww2 ended, the polish communist government siezed all jewish properties and NATIONALIZED ALL OF THEM. THEY BASICALLY STOLE IT ALL.
29. how disgusting!
Polak   (08.28.12)
What the hell? Really, You people aren't getting a cent. I thought we Poles were victims too. And now you're asking us to compensate you? How typical of members of the tribe to be looking to make some green even if it means extorting money from a people who suffered even more during the war. How quickly do we forget about how the Poland opened its doors when the rest of Europe was persecuting your kind.... Selfish, ignorant people you all are, not to mention... avaricious!
30. #23 "Have Jews right to possess land in Poland?"
(08.28.12)
You and others on this forum permanently claim that land can't be stolen from the Palestinians because Israel/Palestine is not their indigenous country. They came from elsewhere and therefore have no right to possess land in Israel/Palestine, right? But according to this logic there cannot be Jewish land outside of Israel, because only Israel is the indigenous land of the Jews. All Jews come originally from Israel. Poland is not the Jews' indigenous country, how can somebody steal Jewish land in Poland then? Jews came as foreigners to a country they "don't belong to" - just as the Palestinians did. If Palestinians don't have the right to possess land on "foreign soil", why should Jews? -The result of your logic and I don't agree.
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