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Anti-jihad 'savage' ads going up in NYC subway
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Published: 21.09.12, 08:21
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1. Pamela Geller makes the Jihadis look sane in comparison
Abe Froman ,   NY, NY   (09.21.12)
2. Hooray for Geller. If it looks like a rose....
Proud of you Pamela. ,   New York / Tel Aviv   (09.21.12)
Wake up world!!! If it looks like a rose, and smells like a rose, and feels like a rose - then it's probably a rose! If it acts like hate, and kills like hate and destroys like hate - THEN IT IS HATE!!!! And if you don't think so then you'd better buy a burka because either you or your children or your children's children will soon have to wear one when Islamization is complete. Wake up and smell the coffee. Hooray for Pamela Geller. Where can I send my contribution to help? Do you hear such violence when the 'Nazis' march in Skokie? Were there killings when the image of Jesus was demeaned in an art exhibition at the Brooklyn Museum of Art. No. So it seems that only the Muslims think that only they have the right to be offended and insulted and respond by killing a United States Ambassador!!!!!! And where is the response from the United States???? WAKE UP and find out how to help Pamela Geller.
3. #1 Abe - How many people has Geller murdered? (Moron.)
Scott ,   USA   (09.21.12)
4. No 1 really?
Jim ,   Tel-Aviv   (09.21.12)
Pamella Geller must have killed a Saudi ambassador or what? What's this cowardly attitude? Your civilization is threatened, senseless riots over cartons and films take place, people are killed by raging mobs, and your worst enemy is Pamela Geller, an outspoken woman.
5. The various colors of hate: Jihadists win easily
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (09.21.12)
Opponents of Geller should remember that Jihadists murdered almost 3000 New Yorkers in an act of brutal mayhem. Jihadists will happily murder tens of millions of Americans - men women and children.
6. Jihad is by definition violent and murderous
PaulZion ,   Israel   (09.21.12)
To say you are against Jihad is to say you are against violence. Where is the offence in that? It does not say Islam is savage, it says jihadists are savages.
7. I don't get it
frank sol ,   san diego, USA   (09.21.12)
Ok, so far Muslims have not yet started their own counter-ads, after they start what to do?.. go like this forever?... this is so stupid, Respect for other people's right is peace, here it shows that our future is in the hands of ppl as Geller's, will we allow that?
8. Hi Pamela Geller
Isac   (09.21.12)
where can I send you my donation? I absolutely and completely agree with your point of view. Those Muslims are violent and uncivilized individuals. Period!
9. Shame on you 2 3 4 5 and many others who comment
ben   (09.21.12)
on this site and you know who you are Give up your hate before it destroys you give it to God Shame on you Anders Behring Breivik was directly linked to Pamela Geller's blog . It was her hate and others like Robert Spencer that inspired him to murder 77 children in Norway. Shame on you
10. It will not help, only inflame....
Jo   (09.21.12)
She should have left Israel out of it....not to mention savage........
11. Just because she's crazy/ offensive doesn't mean she's wrong
Dani ,   Tel Aviv   (09.21.12)
She happens to be right. Just look at what the Islamists are doing all over the world.
12. The Muslim opponents
Brian ,   London   (09.21.12)
The Muslim opponents should be asking themselves why are these responses to Islam happening. To coin this as racism is a denial of what's been happening in the Islamic and Arab world that warrants responses such as Geller. The Muslim opponents should be doing everything they can to influence change. Look at how openly vocal some jews are about Israeli policy, in my view, in many cases very extreme, but at least we look at ourselves and strive for the betterment of human kind, rather than standing in the wings whilst our people spread murder and destruction around the planet. It really is time for us all to stand up. Kol hakavod to Geller!
13. Please explain to me, ben #9
Tahl   (09.21.12)
Exactly how does Pamela Geller's hate for terror-waging Jihadists, inspired the murder of the teenagers in that Norwegian political camp? This would necessarily mean that these teenagers were Jihadists themselves, or Jihadist-sympathizers. Is that what you are admitting?
14. #12 Brian, very well said and maybe I can dream
Arlene ,   Israel   (09.21.12)
but would be nice if they all stopped the violence, took a good look around and did try and help to improve things on this planet. Ms Geller, I do hope this will not cause too much upset, its sure to cause some, but if other people all over the western world made their protests peacefully, the jihadists just might get the message. What they do in Islamic ruled countries is up to them, but even there they can try and improve in many areas.
15. ยค1,typical Bambi's supporter,ashamed,apologetic,cringing-and
ab   (09.21.12)
demanding of others.
16. Response to#38
John R ,   NYC USA   (09.21.12)
Anders Breivk killed 77 children in Norway and said Geller's website "Atlas Shrugged" was part of his inspiration. She is a bigot, as are you, and like all bigots you can only bring harm to this earth.
17. No - Jihadists will not learn
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (09.21.12)
Sorry #14 but trying to get Jihadists to behave is like trying to get Christian missionaries to stop their attempts to convert Jews (and all others as well). Ain't gonna happen.
18. Islamo-fascism
Sam M ,   UK   (09.21.12)
'She's a bigot and a racist'... says muslim leader. Isnt that a bit rich coming from the worlds most violent death cult? And their record for tolerance? Death, torture and persecution to all who won't accept allah. Growing numbers of people are waking up to the threat these jihadi pychopaths pose to western values and indeed to our personal well being and about time as well.
19. Support Israel Ad
David ,   Germany   (09.21.12)
It's true!! Maybe the world is getting tired of their bullshit!!
20. MANY DECADES the West FAILED to help Islam DETOTALITARIZE.
Jerry ,   The Netherlands   (09.21.12)
21. The fact is jihadists *are* savages
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (09.21.12)
The Islamist mobs who drag captured US soldiers through a Somali street, or who burn and hang US security officers on a Baghdad bridge *are* savages. So are those who behead an American journalist (on film!) or cut the throat of an Israeli child. So are those screaming for the death of a British teacher in Sudan whose *Muslim* students chose to name a teddy bear "Mohammed". Anyone who's witnessed the rage when Islamist mobs are riled up should acknowledge the savagery. Apropos, some of those transit authorities so opposed to Geller's ad had no problem putting up anti-Israel ads in recent years. Enough with the craven political correctness. And Muslims who are "offended" should consider why the actions of their coreligionists are sparking such a response.
22. Frank # 7 What I don't get......
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (09.21.12)
is the fact that these people kill over cartoons and teddy bears and you are worried about counter-ads. Respect for other peoples rights is a two way street and the Muslim community needs to learn that.
23. One small addition could change the ads for the better
Me ,   Somewhere   (09.21.12)
This may sound hopelessly unrealistic, but if the ads were sponsored jointly by Pam Geller and a prominent Muslim association of some kind, and if this collaboration was clearly marked on every ad, people would conclude that it's only Muslim radicals that are being targeted, not all Muslims. And Geller wouldn't come across as a bigot who's targeting all Muslims. Geller's right to put up the ads should be defended, and there's nothing wrong with conveying to any intolerant zealots on the subways that they're in a strictly NO JIHAD zone. But because there are Muslims who ride the subways who don't share the fanaticism of the jihadists, it's unfortunate for everyone that this particular community would feel demonized or threatened. I don't think that's Geller's purpose, but it might end up being a sad by-product of the ads, which imply a subliminal connection between jihadist savages and all Muslims. I support creating an atmosphere that's openly hostile to hate-filled radicals, but not to moderates. My prediction is that many Jews, not just Muslims, will feel very uncomfortable with these ads. The mention of Israel implies that the ads speak for Jews in general, just like the mention of Jihad suggests that the ads target all Muslims. Neither is true, but that's how many will perceive it.
24. All jews: District Court Judge Paul Engelmayer , Donna
(09.21.12)
Lieberman, Geller. jewish justice coming to USA
25. #1 Warped logic, Ibrahim
Jake   (09.21.12)
26. That's the trouble.
nibor ,   israel   (09.21.12)
Tying Israel to being anti-Islam. They are already doing it, why support their erroneous theory.
27. Political correctness and naming the threat
Stephen in New York   (09.21.12)
If political correctness prevents us from naming the threat and describing it as it is, how can we possibly confront it?
28. Bravo Pamela!!!
David ,   Hartford USA   (09.21.12)
A great win for truth. Pure and simple. As for the reference to Israel? Israel is the proverbial 'canary in the coal mine' in the fight against jihadist Islam. If anyone disagrees with this simple observation, just listen to the vile filth spewed by Iranian leaders, Hamas, Hezbollah, even the PA. Yes, jihad is real and it kills people all over the world every day. Eleven years ago, it was right here in NYC. And they'll keep on trying because 'Islam will take over the world' according to their warped thinking. Please excuse us if we Americans don't want to participate in the destruction of western civilization!
29. "Opponents say ads imply Muslims are savages"
William ,   Israel   (09.21.12)
No. What the ads do is call those Muslims who support savage acts "savages". The ads specifically talk about jihad - which everyone in the West equates with violence and terrorism, no matter how Muslims try to whitewash into a "peaceful introspection of ones self". There is no doubt that those in the West see such violence as that which has taken hold in the Middle East, because of the silly 14-minute film), as savage and uncivilized. The ad itself is factually correct before the opponents ad their own context to it. In San Francisco, lefty artists painted over "jihad" and wrote "defeat racism"....but they don't see violence and terrorism, supported by Islam against certain ethnic groups as "racism" at all.
30. #7 - so I guess you missed the anti-Israel ads
William ,   Israel   (09.21.12)
that went up around Seattle, parts of California, and the east Coast which effectively dehumanized and slandered Jews and Judaism based on fictitious perspective. That passed with an outcry from starving artists or people like you. Why? Muslims also presented their own ads well before this that were not so friendly to non-Muslims, especially Jews. Why is one type of uncomfortable ad ok but another is not? Geller's ads are not specifically saying ALL Muslims, just the violence and UNACCEPTABLE acts of jihad, and those who support it, are savages. Are we not saying this now in the US regarding those Salafists who are stirring up massive riots and causing all types of property damage and death for a 14-minute film (which is untrue)? We live in a country of free speech, and that means for everyone, not just for those you support or will not be affected by their actions.
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