same right as the secular Jews to be represented in the Knesset. It is indeed not fair,the Haredi vice minister of health should be as the Secular representatives ,minister. Is what Dery did a crime or a mistake,that s open for discussion.

because something as an oath [ preter serment ] he , don't wants to give . So it is because of HIS beliefs ! That's also a reason to keep charedim out of the Knesset . I've never heard that someone was jailed for 3 years because he made a mistake , taking bribes is a crime . And where are the "proofs" about giving this money to the needy ?

MISHANDLED...... For what would be mentioned as a a crime, if an Orthodox politician had done the same thing. The reason you give for Orthodox not to be represented is not a good reason. Litzman is trustful,with or without oath. Anyway,an oath of a non trustful politician is worth nothing. The needy who received the money can witness.

He had to "preter serment de loyaute a l'etat" or something as this . This is done worldwide , but he , trustful as he can be , did'nt do it . So he's only vice minister . Another thing . When he accept this job , he must also accept some obligations . He went to an international conference , and met ministers from other countries . Amongst them the Belgian health minister , Laurette Onkelinckx , whom he REFUSED to shake hands , a woman . Or you accept this job , with ALL the obli9gations , or you stay in your synagogue . Laurette Onkelinckx said that it was the second time such a thing happened to her . The first being the iranian , nice company ! They fit well together . Regarding your "witnesses" , as you can't give their names , it's a valueless proof .

a politician who represents the Orthodox community that he violates the Tora is nonsense. To say that a religious Jew fits with an iranian politician is a manifestation of hate. I do not agree with Sagi nor Michael but argue kindly with them. You quarrel with almost everybody here. That is because you don t live in peace with yourself. If you don t want to end up a hateful old fool abandoned by everybody,it is up to you. You have to care for your Neshama the same as for your body. If i didn t knew that you have a good Neshama,i would have given you up a long time ago. You are not a bad guy ,Charles,but a wounded one. I hate to hurt you.by trying to disinfect your wound. I know that by doing that i will lose your friendship.I will be very sorry. But i want you to know that i do that because i still believe in you.

He should NOT represent the state if he has to do things against his beliefs then . You can't eat of both sides . Or you believe , that's your right , or you represent the State and fullfill the obligations related to this position .

If representing the State comprises also meeting with women , what is against his beliefs , he should abstain from taking such a job . If going to a nudist beach comprises that i should be naked , i abstain Yes , he fits , with his behaviour regarding women , with this iranian . BEHAVIOUR , nothing else of course . Don't try to be a psy , you're not able to analyse me . If you do it , it will only make me dislike you . I'm not wounded at all , Ora , no need to disinfest me . Try first to "heal" yourself from thinking that "tout le monde il est beau , tout le monde il, est gentil" . Stay as you are , a woman with a BIG heart , full of love for many people . I know that you do all this with a "good" goal , but you're 100 % wrong regarding me . Friendship of some of the TB'ers , i don't need it . Many of them are not interesting at all . As i'm a honest man , i , at least , dislike it when someone comes with an wrong argument , with something he/SHE thinks is a fact . That's why many dislke me , and quarrel . Thanks for my "neshama" , i'm not believing in this . But You're of course free to believe that because i act and talk as a 100 % Jew , i've a Jewish Neshama . As long as you don't try to analyse me , not try to "heal" me , you're welcome . PS Deri is with a I not Y .

notice of your wishes. I understand and agree with most of your arguments.Except about "If representing the State..." Shavuah Tov,Charles.

When i worked i had to obey to the rules of the company , or to search for another job . As a [vice] minister , there are rules too . To be polite , and not to offend ministers from other countries , or to stay at home and being only a rabbi , something i suppose he knows better than health problems