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Israel mulls steps against PA over UN bid
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Published: 07.11.12, 01:21
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31. no 23
JUDAH THE LION   (11.07.12)
Thank G D the kassam rocket not accurate. If they were accurate tens of thousands of civilians will be killed. Are you waiting when thousands will be killed.
32. The one advantage of the arabs:
A ,   Belgium   (11.07.12)
"Israel mulls"; "Israel's cabinet weighed";"Israel may";"the government might". Enough of the b.s., its time for an Israeli leadership that DOES, and that means implimenting transfer as envisioned by Rachavam "Ghandhi" Ze'evi. 2 peoples, 2 states Jewish and arab, on each side of the natural border, the Jordan River.
33. no 23
QUDS AL YAHUDI ,   QUDS HAKA ALYAHUD   (11.07.12)
If the PALESTINIANS want to live and not to be killed, then there is one very simple solution not to fire kassam rockets to Israel., otherwise, Israel will reserve the right to do whatever to protect the Israeli civilian
34. 17. "Palestine will be declared an occupied state"
A ,   Belgium   (11.07.12)
You are correct, it IS occupied by illegal arab squatters from Saudia. Time for you and the rest of the phony "palestinians" to leave!
35. # 13 mujo, really?
Bad Assed Jew ,   United States   (11.07.12)
"call yourself Judah", It is called J-U-D-E-A. ( so you now, we Jews are named after Judea, Judah was a tribe of Israelites, Hebrews, Jews, to you ) Say it with me now, S-A-M-A-R-I-A is also Israel's land. King David united the two over 3,000 years ago, it's documented just you know . Another point Jerusalem will NOT be divided so, you can round up some more of Australia's 'native people's' children from their mothers arms and try and "Christianize' them. Or, in legal terms, abduct and kidnap them. BTW, what is the white man doing in Australia?He is not native nor does he 'play well with others.' Your 'advice' is faulted by your presence and posts from someone else land.
36. # 13 correction New Zealand not Australia mujo.
bad Assed Jew ,   United States   (11.07.12)
37. # 23 Your mother should be embarrassed.
bad Assed Jew ,   United States   (11.07.12)
you have no last name, first one either it appears. FYI if no Jews were killed, the pals wouldn't have been killed in kind. Brutality? Care to comment on the thousands of dead muslim on muslim deaths? No American's or Jew's involved. The weapons, where do they come from? Who pays to 'eliminate' so many muslims? Other muslims. Go away.
38. # 31 JUDAH Take heart
Bad Assed Jew ,   United States   (11.07.12)
"are you waiting for thousands will killed"? The thousands now dying are muslims who other muslims are murdering. The LORD works in mysterious ways. Who but the Creator could work such havoc on Israel's enemies?
39. no 38
JUDAH THE LION   (11.07.12)
You are one million percent right. 0ur Father in Heaven works on mysterious ways and He is the only One that we should TRUST. Human being is made from dust, and will go to dust. Obama is made from dust no worries. IN G D WE JEWS & ISRAELIS TRUST as written in Halel.
40. #1 sealift
solomon ,   bklyn   (11.07.12)
Calling the arabs Canaanites, Amorites, or whatever, does not make it so. Read some history; don’t stop at the last book of the Bible. Arabs came from arabia with the Muslim invasion, in the early 1900’s, and after the Jews were kicked out (asked by Jordan to come and take the Jews places). Your ‘history’ of resurrecting vanished peoples is a fairy-tale.
41. #4 george - correct!

solomon ,   bklyn   (11.07.12)
except you have it backwards. The arabs began the modern day pogroms in the 1890’s, refused partition and invaded, and invaded, and invaded again. Yet Israel lets food and fuel into Gaza. And if you dare to read newspapers, they are not starving; this was admitted a long time ago. You join #1 in your wish for your own fairy tale.
42. #6 alan
solomon ,   bklyn   (11.07.12)
You are as correct as #1, and you have it as backwards as #4. The arabs don’t want the lands rightful owners, the Jews, anywhere in their neighborhood; they want it judenrein. But that will be the kiss of death to their deluded dream of “regaining” what is not theirs.
43. The post at No. 30 is not mine.
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (11.07.12)
44. "Imitation is the highest form of flattery."
bad Assed Jew ,   United States   (11.07.12)
Wow! How many copiers are 'flattering you.'?
45. #3
sealift67 ,   northern calif   (11.07.12)
you re playing with semantics. most of the middle east consists of nations 'created' by empires and colonists. there was no "Iraq" as an example. It was part of the Ottoman empire as was the zone defined as the palestine mandate. there were peoples, named in our Torah. We Zionists began a slow re-population, purchasing land until 1948 when the UN declared a partition of the mandate ceding parts of the mandate and trans-jordan to arabs. I see no going back to indefensible borders nor negotiating with those who would destroy us yet we cannot remain in a nationalistic stalemate. Native american Indians can claim ancient ownership over most of the US, yet were never defined as a "state".
46. #40
sealift67 ,   northern calif   (11.07.12)
So, Joshua entered an empty land despite the ongoing archeologic work informing us of co-exisiting people, and there was no Babylonian conquest, nor Assyrian, and so many other, until the Ottomans. And no crusades to take the holy land back, Solomon you also need to read the history of this contested land of our Judea.
47. A brit #6 talking about colonialism is a joke.
BH ,   Iowa   (11.07.12)
48. To nr 15 Charles
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.07.12)
I have the book "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters. Everything you've stated Charles are things that I know already. The only thing that needs correction in your statement is the claim that "Arabs were here since centuries" ("not in vast quantites, came and left"). You are absolutely right about them being few in numbers and that they came and left, but they seldomly - if ever, defined themselves as "Arabs". And most of the "Arabs" came here in the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s. They were Arab speaking but they defined themselves as Moslems. They were mosttly Turkish, Kurdish, Iranian, Albanian, Bosnian, African, Greek etc, that happened to speak Arabic. These are the so called "Palestinians". Otherwise - nothing wrong at all with your statements.
49. To nr 24 - An anonymous Jew hater...
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.07.12)
...who hates Jews for ideological reasons - but is incapable of stating the exact "crimes" we Jews supposedly have "committed" for the past 4000 years and what exact "problem" that needs to be "fixed" or his/her "reason" or excuse to hate Jews. Also the anonymous person seems to be incapable of addressing the issue at hand. And for your information: I haven't lived for 4000 years LOL! So essentially you are saying that I am "hated" because I am a Jew. Well that's precisely what anti-Semitism is! Anonymous one: you are simply admitting that the truth and the facts could hit you in your face but does not change the way you feel about the Jews since you are an anti-Semite. And for your information: I really don't give a rats ass what the "world" thinks of me. You don't like me? So? I don't like you either. But unlike you I am not spreading racism and hatred and I am not anonymous - like you. "The world hates you". Question: is hatred good or bad? Is hatred right or wrong? Is hatred moral or immoral? What is the "world"? And what are the "reasons" for this hatred? Please note: you didn't say that your "reason" is inherently "right". You use the "majority argument". "Since we are many and you are few it means we are right and you are wrong". Question: are you right because you are inherently "right" or because you are many?
50. To Alexander 48
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.07.12)
Sorry , but Joan Peters or Martin Gilbert said that arabs began to arrive here in the 1880's . In her book she also said that in the 1840's there were arab villages here , deserted two years later [ a French writer saw it ] Don't exagerate , Iranian speak Farsi , not arabic . Most likely the same error for the others you mention . Read your books , and write correct and objective things . The ONLY and best way to convince others .
51. #46 sealift
solomon ,   bklyn   (11.08.12)
Archeology shows that the peoples that existed then do not exist now. Neither the Babylonians nor the Assyrians stayed. The arabs are not their descendants; they are from arabia, entering with the Moslem conquest (in comparatively recent times). The Ottomas were Turks: they have Turkey. Along with your reading, you may want to look at a map.
52. Solomon 40 & 51
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.08.12)
In the same way Jews were almost always here , there were arabs too . They did'nt only come in the 1900" , many were here earlier . Martin Gilbert , Atlas of the Arab-Israeli conflict . P2 : 1099 AD Jews toke part in the defense of Jerusalem against the crusaders , fighting alongside the Arabs . Who was living in Ramle , Rosh ha'ayin , Abu gosh , to name only a few ? Who sold the ground to the founders of my town in the 1880s ? Who sold the ground on wich Tel Aviv was founded ? All of them were Arabs who lived here since centuries for some , and not only since the 1900's .
53. Addition to my # 52
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.08.12)
This does not mean that arabs have any rights to claim the country as being theirs . Some lived here but , in the same way as the ultra orthodox , did'nt build very much . Since the 1880's Jews have begun to build the State , everything needed was there when David Ben Gurion proclaimed Israel's independance .
54. To nr 50 and nr 52
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.08.12)
Read my talkback nr 3 and please read Joan Peters' book. Maybe the Arabs started entering Israel in the 1880s but the vast majority of them actually entered Israel in the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s. You can find that in Peters' book. Peters' was referring to Arab speaking Moslems living in Israel. In her book, she does say explicitly, that the "Arabs" of Israel were regarded as such due to their spoken language - Arabic, but their ethnicity was usually Turkish, Kurdish, Iranian, Afghan, Tartar, Greek, Italian, German, Bosnian, Albanian, Somalian, Sudanese, Egyptian, African and so on. On page 157 in "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters: " The disparate peoples recently assumed and purported to be "settled Arab indigenes for a thousand years" were in fact a "heterogenous" community with no "Palestinian" identity, and according to an official British historical analysis in 1920, no Arab identity either: "The people west of the Jordan are not Arabs, but only Arabic-speaking. The bulk of the population are fellahin...In the Gaza district they are mostly of Egyptian origin; elsewhere they are of the most mixed race." On page 155: "Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila and Tartars." "Read your books , and write correct and objective things . The ONLY and best way to convince others . " Indeed read the book Charles. That way you may convince me and others. Regarding your talkback nr 52: Jews and Arabs did not fight side by side against the Christians 1099 against the Crusades. Jews and Arab speaking Moslems belonging to several ethnic groups fought the Crusaders. That too is a historical fact that can be found in Joan Peters' book.
55. to 54
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.09.12)
Don't base your "knowledge" only on Joan Peters CONTROVERSIAL book . Read BOOKS , not only ONE ! What's important here is not calling them Arabs or not , but to acknowledge that , in the same way as Jews did , some , or many , also lived here since centuries .
56. George, Edmonton, Alberta
Moragh   (11.09.12)
You're reading the wrong newspapers. Try a newspaper who are honest enough to give more likely details! Then again it could be wishful thinking on your part. Maybe you and your clique got together (as muslims) and put your little story in print. well here's mine... like it or lump it!
57. #52 charles
solomon ,   bklyn   (11.10.12)
Read my post again. Arabs came during the Muslim invasion (about 676AD), way after the Jews settled there. (In Morocco, BTW, Jews and Berbers joined forces to fight them) Of course they were there afterwards. I am saying that they were comparative late comers who try to extrapolate their history backwards, claiming they are Canaanites, Amorites, peoples that vanished ages ago.
58. To nr 55 - Very contradictory statement
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (11.10.12)
First you wrote in talkback nr 50: "Read your books , and write correct and objective things . The ONLY and best way to convince others." Then, in talkback nr 55 you wrote: "Don't base your "knowledge" only on Joan Peters CONTROVERSIAL book . Read BOOKS , not only ONE ! " First you refer to Joan Peters' book "From Time Immemorial" only to change your mind, calling her book "controversial". It seems you change your arguments as you see it fit. Your talkbacks are neither correct nor objective. SOME, stressing the word SOME ARAB SPEAKING Moslems have lived in Israel for centuries as FOREIGNERS, whereas the vast majority of the "Arabs" of Israel, Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Golan arrived in Israel/British Mandate of Palestine in the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s. Unlike the returning Jewish natives who found and still find their ancient Jewish history in the ancient lands of Israel, the arriving multi-ethnic Moslem Arab speaking population LITERALLY came for the first time to Israel in the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s with no previous or common history neither in Israel nor outside of Israel. They were no "Palestinians" or Arabs neither inside nor outside of Israel. And many of them came from so distant lands such as central Asia, Persia, Afghanistan, Sudan, Algeria, Greece, Germany, Balkans and Italy.
59. Solomon
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.11.12)
In Your # 40 : Arabs came from arabia with the Muslim invasion, in the early 1900’s, As i said to Alexander , it's not important what name they bear , or claim to be . What's important is that some , or many , also lived here , as the Jews did , for centuries . Not a reason for them to claim this country to be their's
60. Alexander , you can't understand ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (11.11.12)
I refererd to this book when it's based on true facts [ villages abandoned after two years ] Not in my 55 nor 50 . The "ONLY" in my # 50 was NOT refering to a book , but to a way to convince others . Is this too difficult to understand for you ? No alexander , the majority of arabs who live here did'nt came after the 1920 . Try to find out stats of population . And "arabs" coming here from Germany ? Persia ? Italy ? How many "arabs" lived there ? And were they arab speaking [ as you wrote in an earlier comment ] ?
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