mitzna advocated withdrawal from gaza and eveyrwhere, unilateral and oslo. Abd we see what it brought us-death and increased terror. No matter what was offered and olmert offered israel killing concessions including on right of return, it was still refused. So what are we talking about. Generals who offer political concessions like mitzna, sharon, barak, even dayan in the 73 war and baidetz on the golan, have done israel no favours. What israel needs is leaders with an understanding of israel national sovereignty, some appreciation of military geography and the will to dfend the homeland. Livni does not understand military geography one bit and she deferred to olmert which tells you all you need to know. She is simply shallow and understands little. Mitzna does not impress me one bit. Israel can seek accomodations and real peace but it has to be with its own control of security and not condominium sharing arrangments.

The only way Bibi can be beaten is by a coalition of the left and the center parties. Unfortunately the Ego of their leaders will make it impossible.

On this side, we have Bibi. Not the greatest - but he does stand up for Israel sometimes. Opposing Bibi, we have the Ultimate Losers. These Losers have never done anything good for Israel. They have absolutely nothing to recommend them. Let the battle begin.

Eli Yishai would make a better PM than either Livni or Shelly Y. He at least knows what he wants ( more yashivot deporting illegals from Africa ) unlike the leaders of the main leftist parties who are all slogan no substance.