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Palestinian officer punches soldier amid clashes in Hebron
Itamar Fleishman
Published: 07.12.12, 00:50
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31. To nr 2,10, 15, 17, 23: Question: What "Palestinians"?
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.06.12)
And what "occupation" are you talking about? Occupation according to International Law means that State A has conquered State B as a result of war. No "Palestinian" state existed in 1967, 1949, 1948, 1947, or 100, 200, 500, 1000, 5000, 10.000 or 100.000 years ago. You use the invented "Palestinian" people as an excuse to hate and destroy Israel. You care nothing for the "Palestinians". The voting at the UNGA is political and not based on international law. The San Remo Treaty signed April 1920 and the Anglo-American treaty signed 3rd of December 1924 in London UK stipulate the legally defined borders of the Jewish state as Cis-Jordan, Trans-Jordan and southern Lebanon up until the bend of the Litani river. It means Lebanon, the "Palestinians" and the Jordanians are STEALING Jewish land - according to history and international law. 1) Why is "Palestine" a Roman/Latin name? 2) Why is there no letter "p" in Arabic? 3) Nationalism is alien to Arabs who have, for 1400 years, lived as nomads and Beduins in multi-ethnic and multi-racial "Arab" empires whose majority population - locals, subjects, soldiers, mercenaries, scientists, mathematicians, physicians and merchants, were no ethnic Arabs, merely Arab speaking Persians, Kurds, Turks, Jews, Berbers and Africans. Why is that? 4) There is no "Palestine" in the Bible or the Koran. Why? 5) The Bible and the Koran BOTH admit that Israel is the Jewish homeland. How come? 6) Jewish/Israelite history started 2000 B.C.E in Israel - 4000 years ago. Arab history of the original Arabians, started in the 7th century C.E. 1400 years ago, in the southwestern corner of the Arabian peninsula, hundreds of kilometers away from Israel, 2600 years AFTER the start of Jewish civilization. How can Arabs be the "natives" of Israel? 7) Most Arabs arrived in Israel as recently as the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s. How is that ancient history and how does that make "Palestinians" the "natives"? 8) When and where exactly did a "Palestinian" state, republic, nation state, kingdom, city state, duchy, principality or empire exist in recorded history, what are the names of kings and dynasties, cities, towns, villages and currency and why is there not a single ancient civilization mentioning anywhere any "Palestinian" state, civilization, nation or people?
32. To: No. 26
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.06.12)
No, it is the most effective way to put down riots. Or would you prefer to serve rampaging ersatz "Palestinians" tea and crumpets?
33. To: No. 15
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.06.12)
Sucks to lose wars -- six of them -- doesn't it? But that doesn't mean that the ersatz "Palestinians" should be exempt from the consequences, now, does it? By the way, the ersatz "Palestinians" have doctoral degrees in whining. And last I heard, Guantanamo is still fully operational without charges or trial, is that not correct? Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house, Dougie. And Israel has had to put up with ersatz "Palestinian" terror a lot longer than the United States has had to deal with terror. Moreover, the settlements are fully legal. It is the ersatz "Palestinians" who are the illegal occupiers -- a problem which will be rectified when Israel annexes Judea and Samaria and repatriates them to Jordan, country of their citizenship.
34. To nr 23: Sweden was an accomplice to Nazi Germany...
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.06.12)
...and the Swedish king wrote a letter wishing Hitler good luck in his military campaigns. The Swedish government came up with the idea of printing the letter "J" in Jewish passports, Swedes bought Jewish tooth gold from massacred Jews which makes you grave plunderers, thieves and murderers. Sweden sold iron ore and ball bearings to the German Wehrmacht. Sweden allowed Germany to use Swedish railroads to reach German military bases in Norway. Your Queen - Silvia, has Nazi background. Homosexuality was deemed as a "mental sickness" in Sweden well into the 1970s. So during WW2 the Swedes supported kiling Jews and now you support killing Jews/Israelis in Israel? And you on top of that you support killing the Jewish state and attacking the Jewish/Israeli natives/historical population and impose/enforce a foreign Arab/Moslem imperialist rule? You mentioned "Palestinians". Who are they and what is their connection to the land of Israel? Who are you and why does this conflict matter to a Swedish Protestant Christian Northern European woman 4000 kilometers away from the Levant? If you enjoy harming Israelis, I suggest you pay a visit to Israel - maybe even the "hateful" IDF soldiers can give you a lesson Erika. It seems some of your countrymen have already been taught a lesson by IDF during the "flottila". Too bad fanatical and extremist Swedes like yourself believe that stealing the Jewish homeland, denying 4000 years of Jewish history in Israel, attacking and killing Jews/Israelis and imposing an imperialist/colonialist/foreign Arab/Moslem rule over the land of Israel is "moral". But again, morality is not the strongest virtue of Sweden is it?
35. #3 you fled? what you? without firing a single shot?
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36. @3 what drugs did u do in the 60s? ur brain's fired!
(12.06.12)
37. Why should PA policemen cooperate with IDF
(12.06.12)
when Israel withholds their salaries?
38. I like ..
daniela   (12.06.12)
people talking about morality, Jesus et all... those are the same ones that killed thousands of jews tru history, all in the name of their religion.. To number 30.. i suggest you speak about morality to your church who till that day has yet to recognize the horrors of Inquisition just to mention one small issue. To Dave from Brasil... you talk about occupation? ask brazilian indians.. the tupis, the tupinambas etc who were killed, robbed of their lands when the portuguese came with the jesuits to grab what they could from Brasil. It seems that all those who occupied lands, who stole in America, Africa and Asia are now accusing the only nation that decided to go back to the land that was promised to them by G-d.
39. To: No. 20
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.06.12)
Judea and Samaria are non-sovereign territory, which Jordan made Judenrein in 1948. In 1967, Jordan stupidly decided to attack Israel, and Israel reacquired Judea and Samaria. There is no "occupation." The land is Israel's to settle, retain and even annex. The Arabs resident in Judea and Samaria are Jordanian citizens, and we are going to send them home to Jordan. As to military occupation -- exactly what do you think the United States is doing in Okinawa? Do you think the Japanese asked the U.S. to build Fort Buckner there? And do you remember the consequences that befell Germany following its defeat in World War II? Germany lost fully 25 percent of its land mass. Italy lost the entire province of Istria. There are consequences to waging wars of aggression -- and losing -- as the Arabs have done, six times. It is absurd to require that Israel adhere to a different set of international rules and covenants than that which is applied to every other country. By the way -- you cannot "steal" what is yours, and the written historical record and the archaeological evidence clearly support Israel's position. The ersatz "Palestinians" come from the Hejaz in the Western Arabian desert. That's THEIR home.
40. To: No. 23
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.06.12)
Coming from someone who is no longer welcome in Malmo, that's rich. Moreover, the ersatz "Palestinians" are not a "state," they are a terrorist rabble. But you are very likely lacking in the requisite intellect to appreciate the difference.
41. @2: Sounds Like an Agressive Threat
emanon ,   USA   (12.06.12)
42. Ah Lawdy, the barking dogs of YNET
Cameron ,   USA   (12.06.12)
I tell ya, I'm gonna start setting my watch to this rabid routine.
43. Definitly not hard enough ,...
snag ,   USA   (12.06.12)
Next time send'em off looking for ambulance ;) ,...
44. TASERS TASERS TASERS...
ZEV BERNICK ,   TORONTO CANADA   (12.06.12)
to arm MANY, especially those that are front-line, with.. HIGH-POWERED-TASERS, & used at the provocative incidents.. would eliminate ALL violence against the IDF...
45. Hebron
Marianne ,   Belgium   (12.07.12)
No occupation, no clashes! As simple as that.
46. TO NR. 18.
SJOERD VAN DER VELDE ,   HOORN NH, HOLLAND   (12.06.12)
YOU ARE RIGHT IN THIS CASE, AT MY OPINION. IF THE PALESTINIANS/ARABS, WHO LIVE IN ISRAEL REFUSE TO BE LOYAL TO ISRAEL, THEY ARE FREE TO LEAVE, TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY. AS THE EASTERN PART OF THE FORMER BRITISH MANDATE OF PALESTINE IS JORDAN, IN WHICH JEWS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LIVE THEN THE ENTIRE WESTERN PART OF THE FORMER BRITISH MANDATE, WEST OF THE JORDAN RIVER IS ISRAELI TERRITORY. THE POPULATION CAN HAVE ISRAELI CITIZENSHIP/NATIONALITY WITH DUTIES AND RIGHTS OF EVERY ISRAELI. IF THE TERROR CONTINUES AGAINST THE ISRAELI PEOPLE, THEN ISRAEL HAS THE FULLEST RIGHT TO TAKE MEASURES TO DEFEND AND TO PROTECT THE ISRAELI PEOPLE WITH ALL MEANS IN EVERY WAY, IF IT IS NECESSARILY, AS EVERY COUNTRY HAS.
47. To nr 30 - No he's speaking the truth based on facts
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.06.12)
Well? Did you find any "Palestine" or "Palestinians" in the Bible? But did you find Israel and Israelites? Speaking of history and historical rights to Israel, I suggest you study history books. Some of them deal with world history, ancient history, Middle Eastern history, Jewish/ Israelite history, Arab history, Moslem history, ancient Egyptian history, Roman and Greek history: "History of the World" by J.M. Roberts, "Ancient Rome" by Simon Baker, "The Classical World" by Robin Lane Fox, "The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt" by Ian Shaw, "The Mediterranean in the Ancient World" by Fernand Braudel and "The Arabs in History" by Bernard Lewis. All of them speak of ancient Israel and ancient Judah and the ancient Israelites/Judeans. None of these books speak of any "Palestinian" people, nation, state or civilization. J.M. Roberts mentions briefly "Palestinians" in the 20th century in the "History of the World" but there is no mentioning of any historical "Palestinian" original inhabitants, owners or civilization in the land. Try to answer my questions in talkback nr 31. Also answer this question: Why do you care to begin with and why do you interfer to begin with and why should people listen to you to begin with? The era of racial/cultural European supremacy is over. It's quite amusing to see Northern Europeans patronizing non Europeans and "teaching" them how to behave. I guess WW1, WW2, the Holocaust, the pogroms, the Spanish Inquisition, centuries of European anti-Semitism and European imperialism and colonialism makes the average European a good judge of men? I agree with you that you should treat people the way you expect them to treat you. That's precisely what we Jews/Israelis do - albeit exceptions do exist, but 1) we haven't 'stolen anyone's land, 2) there is no "Palestinian" people (prove me wrong), 3) the "Palestinians" don't want Judea, Samaria and Gaza - they want ALL of Israel. Just ask PLO, Fatah and Hamas. The 4th Geneva Convention deals with STATES and forced transfers of people into another state. Jews move freely into Judea and Samaria and "Palestine" has never been a state. ICC deals with individuals - not states. ICJ rulings are binding ONLY when states agree to the rulings and only states can deal with ICJ. The voting in UNGA was political - not legal. The "legal experts" of the UN are biased since they are elected by mostly despotic/undemocratic states. The UN "legal experts" have routinely ignored the San Remo treaty and the Anglo-American treaty - two legally binding documents that support Israel's legal claims.
48. To nr 26 - Yes the IDF should fire into the crowd...
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.07.12)
...and if things were up to me the Arabs or the Fakestinians would have been wiped out or expelled a long time ago - without mercy or pardon. Arabs understand nothing but brute, naked relentless force, and that's the honest truth. It sounds horrible to say this, I know, but you know that Arabs and Moslems are different from the rest of the world. I would never dream of using this kind of violent language or behavior against Europeans, Asians, Africans, Americans, Canadians, Russians etc. But the Moslems of the Middle East are wrongly wired in their heads. Why is it crazy to kill those who want to kill you? The Arabs attacked the IDF soldiers with the intention to kill, so why shouldn't IDF shoot them like animals? And what's wrong with Sarah's statement? Are you suggesting that non violence and pacifism is the right approach when an angry, armed and violent crowd is approaching you? The real question Tambour is whether you are mentally challenged, plain stupid, a self hating Jew or an anti-Semite? Wouldn't you defend yourself with lethal force if any angry violent crowd is attacking you? The answer is very simple: you kill those that try to kill you. Law of the jungle. Since most Arabs want us Jews dead, most Arabs deserve to be destroyed. Simple enough?
49. To: #3 Sarah B
I Love Fanatics ,   Ohio, USA   (12.07.12)
You stated that the soldiers should have fired into the crowd because “that's what every other country on the face of the earth would do” What countries are you referring to? And could you offer a few of examples. I can’t think of a country – not France, Germany, Italy, England, Ireland, the U.S., Japan, Canada or South Korea – that opens fire on protesters. On the other hand, I can think of countries that do - like China, Iran or Syria. You also stated, “Israel is under no obligation to be more moral” So exactly what countries are you referring to?
50. Sarah B. it is clear there is something majorly
Eitan ,   Ranana   (12.07.12)
wrong with you. Please take your ill venom elsewhere and try to deal with your issues constructively. You not getting any better here.
51. the arab behaviour is natural
marcel   (12.07.12)
with due respect, the arab entity living on the west bank wants no jews living or patrolling there, wants none in israel itself and wants topunch israel That is what they want. Its not a state so much as to reverse 48. Peres is dead wrong, olmert is dead wrong, all the peaceniks are dead wrongs. The arabs do not want israelis in the area no matter israeli medicine, education, jobs etc. Peace is a hudna tactic just to buy time until the next round when israeli guard will be reduced. barak did not understand it, nor did olmert and livni, nor does the peeace camp. Arabs want israel dead, dead or booted out period.
52. WELL SAID ALEXANDER!!!
les ,   canada   (12.07.12)
how ever distasteful, harsh, even barbaric it sounds, when you deal with vicious, bloodthirsty, venomous animals, the only solution is: kill them, before they kill you. end of story.
53. #48 and sarah
sealift67vet ,   northern calif   (12.07.12)
If we take this position. that the indigenous population in the territories have no legitimacy, are inherently brute, 'different', we begin to sound much like the judges tried at nuremburg who argued they were simply applying 'legal' statutes. Sarah, legal does not equal moral. your pain and hatred clouds any speck of rationality as well as adherence to our carefully crafted common law, from talmud, which is the basis for humanism.
54. @14: not yet
Walter ,   Germany   (12.07.12)
It will take some time, but it comes as I said. When France and UK fall, Germany falls. When Germany falls, Europe falls. When Europe falls, the United States fall. When the US fall, the occupation is over. Now UK and France are fallen and Germany stumbles...
55. What stopped the soldiers from opening
jason white ,   afula, israel   (12.07.12)
fire on the stone throwers? Why wasn't the terrorist police office beaten before allowing him to talk and hit a soldier? No terror police should be allowed to talk to members of the I.D.F.! Why wasn't he shot for hitting the soldier? We should cease to holding back our soldiers from defending themselves and use the maximum force to stop rioters. All pali terror cops should be required to turn over their weapons and ammo to the I.D.F. There should be no more training of pali terrorists by the U.S. and britain and the training camps bombed by the I.A.F. Finally all members of the I.D.F. should receive training in Krav Maga for a month during basic training and twice weekly refresher courses.
56. Erika, Sweeden should have given modern weapons to Jews
Jorge   (12.07.12)
During the II world war, instead of selling ball bearings, oil and raw materials to the Germans, as there were many, many Sweedes openly collaborating with the Nazis all over Europe, as are today openly trying too see the demise of the Jewish State, that was born out of need for the centuries of persecution, brutality and murder of Jews in a very "civilized" and "Christian" Europe You Sweedes have no moral standing to critizice Israel, and for shure, have not an ounce of "SHAME" for what you are and have been
57. Some posts here are
Lio ,   London UK   (12.07.12)
full of hatred, racism and incitement - look at #48, disgusting! - where are the moderators, don't they read their own terms of use? And of course there's SB, comfortably ensconsed in her Manhattan mansion, screeching like a banshee, calling for the death of fellow human beings, her fans fawning all over her. If she's that concerned about Israel why isn't she living there?
58. To 34
Erika ,   Sweden   (12.07.12)
Alex, do you still believe in fairy tales? Do you profoundly believe non-existent god gave you this land for you and your family? WOW, that's EGO!! A Swedish Protestant Christian northern eropean woman??? In what kind of world you live? The dark ages? hahahaha I'll kiss someone's butt if there's someone left like that in this country. We’re the second most atheist country after Czech Republic Alex. Update yourself. Whoever Palestinians are, fakes or whatever, they're humans Alex! Just like you and me. And these Arabs/humans were already living in Israel/Palestine before the creation of the Israeli state. They lived in harmony with jews for thousands of years (Yishuv Jews to be more specific) until the creation of the state. But who are Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahim? A bunch of Europeans, Northafricans claiming is their land? Using fairy tales passages to justify their imperialist/colonialist/foreign acts? What a load of crap! And THANK GOODNESS morality is not the strongest virtue of Sverige, I’m glad you emphasized that. We’re all about progress, innovation, constantly changing, and learning from history to improve, not to repeat it. If you don’t think so, you should come visit. Hej då!
59. Israel withhold PA Salary ?
Lenya ,   Australia   (12.07.12)
What about the Hundreds of Millions of Dollars in electricity bills withheld from Israel by the PA and Hamas ? PA Officers aren't getting paid by the PA not because of withheld funds by Israel but because Abbas would rather pay wages to terrorists in Israeli prisons first.
60. @58 Sweden the Porno Capital.
Lenya   (12.07.12)
Palestinians may be humans, but they act worse than animals..eg; the butchering of the Fogel family which included an infant that was cut up with a knife...Hiding behind their own citizens including women and children in the height of battles with the IDF. Using schools , Playgrounds, sport fields, Mosques, libraries, public areas to launch rockets towards Israeli towns. Jews were scattered all over the world before they made Aliya back to israel their true country...not like the Arabs who masked themselves as "Palestinians" , Egyptians, Jordainians, Lebanese, Syrians, etc, and occupied lands that never belonged to them.
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