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Europe losing its memory
Riccardo Dugulin
Published: 27.01.13, 11:50
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31. Varied points of view
Sherlock Holmes ,   London England   (01.28.13)
When the question was first raised most Orthodox Jews opposed Holocaust Remembrance Day, preferring Tish B'Av or Kristallnacht, while Israelis had Yom HaShoah in Nissan. We eventually gave in when it was explained that this Holocaust Remembrance Day was to remind Europeans that even in the heart of European 'kultur' such a thing could happen. I assume places like the USA and many others that closed their doors to Jews fleeing Nazism, also observe this day of remembrance.
32. # 28 - Warsaw vs. ghetto uprising
Elke ,   USA   (01.28.13)
The ghetto uprising led by armed Jews occurred in Jan. of 1943 and was almost immediately put down by the Germans. The nationwide Warsaw uprising, led by the Polish Home Army and the Polish government-in-exile began in August of 1944. It had some early successes, notably capturing the remains of the Warsaw ghetto and liberating the Geiowka concentration camp, freeing more than 350 Jews. Some of those newly freed Jews joined the overall resistance effort (Operation Tempest) in 1944 but they were a very small contingent of volunteers aiding the Home Army, which counted some 45,000 soldiers. Poland was the only place where helping Jews evade the Nazis came under the threat of death for the perpetrator AND his/her entire family. Yet between 1 and 3 million Poles helped Jews to safety. Poles were also the first to bring the Holocaust to the attention of the West, where news of what was going on in the concentration camps was met mainly with disbelief. The person who is revising (or ignoring) history is not me. Every single thing I have said can be verified by multiple sources. Your posts attacking me won't change that. Nor will it change the honors rightly paid to more than 6,200 courageous Poles by Israel itself. I actually thought Holocaust remembrances were and are aimed at putting to rest irrational hatreds -- like yours. I have no ill will toward Jewish people just as I harbor no ill will toward Christians, Hindus or Buddhists.
33. Pinhead @ 29 ,...
split ,   US   (01.28.13)
Were was your father and where from he returned to his town? ,... Didn't this 'professor' tell you that during the Nazi occupation there was a death sentence caried out by resistance forces for outing a Jew to Germans? ,... Romans never got as far as Poland or even to Germanic territories,... The authorities in post war Poland or any Soviet Block country were dominated by Jews. The police, security and judicial sectors were taken over exclusively by Jews so it's more crap to demonise Poles. Poland was a buffer zone for invading eastern hordes. She saved Europe from Ottoman conquest, she was a superpower until she became a dumping ground for an expelled European Jews and that's a fact you can't change no matter how long and how hard you try to demonise her and Poles ,... Poles are not the first nation that provided a safe haven to few of you, and ended up with millions, got stabbed in the back, ended up broke and banckrupt and almost lost their country.
34. 28 - #$@&^*$# ,...
split ,   US   (01.28.13)
Google 'Warsaw Uprising' just to see how ignorant you are ,...
35. A S. African Racist is all you folks are
David ,   USA   (01.28.13)
Yes we are tired of your white and Jewish hate proving the true enemies of the world you ANC hoodlums and Mandella killing your own people and trashing every far. We are tired of hearing your BLT/Islam crap. Yes you folks are the Eugenics folks millions died fighting against. Yes your a big BLT Obama racists and losers that are the world biggest enemies cos your about as sick as it gets. Can't pick on your own size cos you all just perverts ,pedophiles,mass/murderers and amoral bums. You folks are the true evil proven time and again. So start paying your jewish reperations along with your EuropeOns cos we are done with you sick and demented frauds. Yes your an enemy to us Jews and Israel and deserve everything you get. Your pathetic country is just a backwards 3rd world losers blaming whites and Jews to hide your sick violent regime. Boycotting using your pathetic " Arparthied" lies. I bet your a black and we have had way more than enough youbeing the biggest Racists and just project your pathetic tiny mind of hate. Here is to saving some missiles for you and your uUber Scandanvian and BLT /Islamo " friends" Bet this doesnt get posted cos the truth always cuts both ways. So tell us how " wonderful" your pathetic little country is. You always need an " enemy" to fool your illiterate from seeing the true evil you folks clearly are. So lets here some of your " Pearls of Wisdom" proving every word we say.
36. #28. Warsaw Uprising
Jack ,   Poland   (01.28.13)
Your lack of knowledge of history is sad. There was two different uprisings in Warsaw during the WWII. Between Julay and September 1942 Germans with the help of Jewish Judenrat and Jewish Police deported 245-300 thousands of Jews to the death camp without any resistancy. After that in Getto lived 60-65 thousands of Jews. 19 April 1943 Germans were planning to complete deportation, but in this case were ambushed by Jewish insurgents. There was about 1000-1500 insurgents. The uprising ended after 1 month. According to the casualty lists in Stroop's report, German forces suffered 16 killed in action and 85 wounded in action. The Warsaw Uprising was Polish resistance Home Army operation to liberate Warsaw from Nazi Germany. The Poles wanted to welcome the Soviet army in the liberated, free capital of Poland. It began on 1 August 1944. There was 50 thousands Home Army soldiers (10000 KIA). This uprising ended after 63 days. German forces suffered 7000-9000 KIA. About 200,000 Polish civilians were killed and 700,000 expelled from the city.
37. #24,32 - THE WARSAW GHETTO UPRISING BY JEWS
Abraham ben Jacob ,   Canada   (01.28.13)
The Warsaw Ghetto uprising is observed by the Jewish people to rememeber and commemorate the heroic Jewish uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto against the Nazis and their collaborators. The Warsaw Ghetto Jewish uprising went from April 19 to May 19, 1943. The Germans higher authorities were embarrased that poorly armed Jewish fighters were holding the Nazis at bay for so long. Major General Jurgen Stroop was the Nazi in charge of the destroying the Ghetto uprising and he later wrote in his report wrote that " the Jewish Quarter of Warsaw is no more! " Although the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was not really very successful, it was the first time in all of German-occupied Europe that there was any organized uprising against the Nazis. Word got out, and it set a climate. And afterwards, there was Jewish resistance in many other places, including some of the camps.
38. Kielce " pogrom" in Poland in 1946 -- after the War !
Abraham ben Jacob ,   Canada   (01.28.13)
A Polish child disappeared in Kielce Poland in 1946 and the rumors that Jews kidnapped him were enough to start a "pogrom". There began a killing spree aimed at Jews in Kielce blaming the Jews for the child's dissappearance.........that was in 1946 and well after the War as the Nazis were defeated a year before this happened.
39. # 38 Europe and the world were shocked at this
ben   (01.29.13)
so soon after ww2 It is debated wether it was antisemitism or the Soviets attemt to control the country[ Although I would think antisemitism played a part] 9 people were condemed to death for the 40 Jews who were killed. The pogrom led to most of the remaining Jews to go to Israel. the Kafr Massacre Octo. 29 1956 Israel border police executed by firing squad 48 innocent civillians including 6 woman and 23 children. Two officers ended up serving short prison terms
40. Au contraire: not loosing but GETTING BACK memory of "how to
tom ,   tel aviv   (01.29.13)
persecute The Jew"! The 60+ years break of this noble, European pastime has her all geared up and ready to go (again)!
41. There was about 1000-1500 insurgents.
split ,   US   (01.29.13)
Not even that many, around 600 out of over 400 000 Jews in Warsaw at the very end of deportations when they knew that they got nothing left to lose . By the way, they managed to destroy one personnel carrier vehicle and set a fire few trucks ,...
42. 38 - Kielce " pogrom" in Poland in 1946
split ,   US   (01.29.13)
Conveniently it happen on the eve of Allies Katyn massacre hearings in Nuremberg to take away the attention from Soviet involvement and despite that the chief of police in Kielce at that time was a Jew, also the Warsaw government's brass dominated by Jews and the police and internal security sector (Polish KGB) was run exclusively by Jews. Not to mention that the result of that 'pogrom' conveniently happen to trigger a massive exodus of educated Jews to Israel ,... Stalin didn't vote 'yes' for Israel for nothing ,...
43. 39 - 9 people were condemed to death ,...
split ,   US   (01.29.13)
In kangaroo court, one judge, no witnesses, no appeal, nothing, a scapegoats, found guilty and executed same day, no one knew or see this judge again - That was the Poland run by Stalinist Jews,...
44. We have a duty and a right commemorating and remembering
Abraham ben Jacob ,   Canada   (01.29.13)
our Jewish sisters and brothers who perished in the Holocaust. Jewish people whose parents, children, and relatives were brutally and systematically murdered in an organised plan by Nazis do remember and commemorate the victims. There are obvious attempts in the talkbacks here to minimise Jewish suffering by claiming Jews do this to Arabs and other T.B.'s going out of their way to ridicule or minimise our own Jewish grief and suffering. Everyone should be free to honor and commemorate and remember the victims of murder whether they be Jews, Muslims or Christians. Jews commemorate our own loss and humanity's loss and as well we honor those righteous gentiles who saved Jews at their own peril.
45. 44 - should be free to honor and commemorate and remember
split ,   US   (01.29.13)
Feel free to commemorate and remember 24/7/365 as long as you wish just don't ask others to pay for it and don't use it as a tool in an extortion business ,...
46. #14
Chimo ,   Las Vegas, USA   (01.29.13)
People like you make me sick. Jews have not been trying to blame people who had nothing to do with the holocaust. It should be remembered and marked every year because nothing like the holocaust has ever happened in human history. Morons like yourself Edith are the ones who should be forced to do menial labor and then not fed and crammed into tiny quarters with 100 other people. And that's only if the jew was lucky enough to get that far before being given a bullet to the head or a lungfull of Zyklon B. so shut up Edith, your a mindless troll
47. #45 no amount of money can make up for the Holocaust
Abraham ben Jacob ,   Canada   (01.29.13)
On this same theme and I am quoting from her, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said her country can never forget the Nazi Holocaust and says her nation has ‘an everlasting responsibility’ for Nazi crimes. Mrs Merkel went on: ‘We must clearly say, generation after generation, and say it again: with courage, civil courage, each individual can help ensure that racism and anti-Semitism have no chance. It is our duty, Angela Merkel said Germany must never forget the atrocities committed by the Nazis. Is #45 such a person who will not listen to reason, even from people like the Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel ? What is your vested interest to pester the T.B.'s here ?
48.  47. #45 no amount of money can make up for the Holocaust
split ,   US   (01.30.13)
But thet doesn't stop the holocaust industry and Israeli government from milking generations of Germans and others, does it ? By the way Merkel's speech can be a matter of interpretation to whom it was addressed - The Palestinians are a Semites aren't they:) ,... ,... Up to 2007 WJC Claims Conference was bragging on their web site: "As a result of negotiations with the World Jewish Congress the German government has paid more than $50 billion in indemnification for suffering and losses resulting from Nazi persecution. Our negotiations have also resulted in the creation of special funds for Holocaust survivors and Holocaust education from the Austrian Government, German and Austrian industry and many other European nations" ,... Take a note that they don't mention all those Billions received from Swiss Banks ,...
49. Split
Alf Red ,   Londonistansk   (07.17.13)
If there were not many an example of rabid, pornographically self-exposed, rotten to the core natural antisemite - our friend Split should get a Hero bust erected in his native Poland, for all others to see how this malaise can decompose one's brain. I would send a zloty or two to help in this erection.
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