31. @29 You and your ilk can have a good life outside Israel.
Why are you so much interested to destroy Jewish values and culture ?
olim hadashim ,
32. The rabbinate
is an utter disgrace/embarrassment/corrupt.
33. Halacha is very clear, if your mother isn't Jewish...
Then neither are you. In this situation, she would have to go through the conversion process, which should be easy if she has been living a Jewish lifestyle.
I had friends growing up who had to convert because their mothers either weren't converted or did an unrecognized reform or conservative conversion. They had to do this before they could be bar mitzva'd even. Halacha does not bend in these situations. If she truly loves her fiance, she will go through the process.
34. she's not jewish so according to halacha she cant have a jew
ish marriage is that strange?
35. Keep Israel Jewish
I applaud your service in the army. It is a wonderful thing. Unfortunately, we understand you have spent much blood, sweat, and tears in Israel. We appluad you. The fact remains that you are not a Jew. And as much as that pains you because of your level of personal sacrifice, it still is not worth breaking the chain of thousands of years of Am Yisrael. If you truly care, you will convert. Put your personal feelings aside and open your eyes to the truth. If you care for Israel you would convert. Keep Israel Jewish. Amen.
36. Surely the Rabbinate and its flunkies have done more..
... to serve and secure Israel than the IDF officer and soldier...
So what is the problem letting the former decide the long-term life arrangements of the latter...??
37. listen dear
It's that Torah laws don't work like that of a country, which is always changing things to please people. I commend you for your service, etc. to the "country", but if your mom wasn't Jewish neither are you.All the Facebook stuff won't make a difference. Convert so your kids will be Jewish.
38. I know many non Jews who become "more Jews"than many Jews...
These are to be praised and loved by us.
But this girl...Come on!
If I were her fiancee I would step out very quickly because hardly there will be happiness in this marriage.
Better he finds a Jewish girl.
Sorry,I would not desire such thing but that´s the way things look like in this case.
39. To: Rita Margolis
You had to have known that you are not considered Jewish if you are not born of a Jewish mother.
Why have you deliberately chosen not to convert? Yes, your actions speak well of you -- far better than a great many haredi -- but Halacha is an essential part of the Jewish people and the Jewish faith, and YOU ARE NOT JEWISH.
Sarah B ,
U.S.A. / Israel
40. It's the Jewish Inquisition
Israeili Jew ,
41. What is She Asking For Exactly?
It is impossible to understand what she is asking for. She is not Jewish by religion although she is a proud Israeli and an ethnic Jew and seems like a fine person. I have no doubt she identifies with the Jewish people. But she is not Jewish by her religion. Surely she does not expect an Orthodox rabbi to marry her. How could he? She herself says she is not Jewish. So what is she asking for? - for the State to institute civil marriage in time for her wedding? That is what it seems. Of course I agree the State should have a civil marriage but asking that the Knesset to amend the law in time for her wedding is absurd. She cannot really be asking for that. So again, what is she asking for exactly?
42. But Rabbinate, if they are so proJewish allow
her to risk her life servicing country, that actually spit in her face, because of Old idiocy?
And, as a matter of fact, I think this is also about money, nothig more. Pay and she will become Jewish after some ritual. Shouldn't be Jewish or not solelely depends on her soul?
43. Plenty Jewish Enough
Serving in the Army and marrying Jewish. I think the rabbinate and courts ought to be looking on how to thin out the Arab and illegal Africans within Israel rather than nitpicking this girl.
44. According to Halacha, she's not Jewish BUT
she has the right to marry in Israel because she's an Israeli citizen. I think civil marriage should be allowed now. We are in XXI century!
Sephardic Jew ,
Can Jews not marry non-Jews in Israel legally or is this just a ceremonial thing where they have trouble findind a Rabbi. In know in the US, Catholic Priest won't marry a couple if one isn't Catholic. So the couple either gets a judge or goes some other place. Could they get a non-rabbi to marry them?
46. Double standards, as always
A lot of the talkbackers here respond with their usual racism (how is it that I've come to expect extreme racists every time I finish an article) and tell her that of course she should not be allowed to marry.
Another goes as far as teliing her that since she isn't Jewish, she should leave the country.
I have a few remarks to you racists out there.
1. She is by far Jewish enough according to the Germans, they would have killed her as a Jew. Israel was created in part as a safe haven for anyone that Jewish.
2. Every democratic society in the world allows people of different faiths to marry. In this regards, Israel sides with Saudi-Arabia and Iran, and is opposite to the US and all other democracies.
As for those of you who chose to heave abuse at an Israeli soldier for wanting to marry the man she loves, I have only three words: You disgust me!
Israel & France
47. Sincere converts turn to be better Jews than many Jews..
These are loved by Israel as it is commanded by Torah.
But this girl is provocative and just does not care about Israel in its deepest sense.
They´ve better to go to Cyprus or wherever they want to get married!
And if Reform does their marriage ,it will be a FAKE marriage anyway .But for those who like ,or don´t care,to live fake lives,that must be ok.
48. 21 There's NOTHING ancient about the Haredim
merely Medieval European and intolerant racist ignorance.
Israeili Jew ,
49. 17 How much time did you serve in the IDF? None, right?
I served and she's more Jewish than the Haredim medieval Europeans.
Israeili Jew ,
50. 16 You know nothing about her but accuse
that's NOT Jewish!
Israeili Jew ,
51. Is she Jewish by Halacha or not?
lets get rid of all the emotion and deal with the facts.
I do not doubt her sincerity at one level but If this lady is not halachicaly Jewish, why does she not show the sincerity to convert properly.
A righteous gentile does not become a Jew just because they are righteous.
The two are seperate issues.
However this not stop me for feeling really sorrowful for the situation she finds herself in, but equally it does not allow me to discard halacha.
S Judah ,
52. @34 Yes, it is strange
In a country that calls itself a modern liberal democracy, it is strange that there is no secular marriage for whoever wants it, but only the religious dogma. And also that this country calling itself a democracy does not allow freedom of religion to Jews who don't fit the Haredi mold.
53. Who let the racists out again?
54. If her blood's hebrew, she's hebrew
We are a people not a faith. If you have Hebrew blood, then you are a part of Am Yisrael. The end.
This kind of garbage is precisely why we need Zionist rabbinate and not haredi.
Ari ben Canaan ,
55. 39 Sarah B.: She does need to convert to Judaism, not
Reform but Orthodox Judaism. Are you Orthodox Jewish? Rabbi Yehoshua of Nazareth said there are Jews who are not Jews who say that they are and there are Jews who are Jews in their hearts. Jews who are Jews in their hearts keep the seventh day Shabbat and believe Rabbi Yehoshua of Nazareth fulfilled the Spring Feasts of HaShem as the Sacrrificial Lamb.
Most Jews in Israel are not Jews in their hearts. But it is a Jewish homeland with some rules about who is Jewish and who is not to keep it that way. When Yehoshua comes back as the Lion of Judah, ALL in Israel who are still alive will believe that He is who He said He is.
Oh, Sarah, please try to find online the Mike Adams NaturalNews.com report on January 28 or 29 warning people to leave the coastal areas and big cities that are death traps in catastrophes. You need to leave NYC if you live there.
56. Civil Marriage, the Rabbinate, & Rabbinical Judaism
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had mothers and wives who were not Jewish, but it didn't matter as Judaism transferred from father to son. Sometime during the Roman conquest, the Rabbis changed how Judaism was inherited (from the mom). One theory I heard of this was in order to protect Jewish lineage because women were being raped by Roman soldiers and the killing of Jewish men. Whether that's true or not is debatable, but the point is that the Rabbis changed it at some point. This leads to an overall problem in Judaism in that the religion has been hijacked by the Rabbis who hand out decrees and those who don't follow them are labeled "heretics" or "non-jews," even if the dissenters follow the torah. Another example are the Kashrut laws, and why having chicken and dairy is prohibited under Rabbinic decree, but perfectly acceptable according to the torah.
I have a friend who wanted to make aliyah, who has a Jewish mother, but the JA rejected their Rabbi letter because the Rabbi didn't get smicha from an "approved" academy. Basically the Rabbinate is preventing a Jew from moving to Israel, while at the same time allowing questionable Jews or African migrants (non-Jews) into the country.
Israel really needs civil marriage, so that non-Orthodox Jews can marry in Israel, and mixed marriages between different religions can occur so couples don't have to leave the country to get married.
57. The Rabbinate
A lot of the rabbis in the Rabbinate have heretical understanding of the Torah
Jay Abouaf ,
58. This is a
paradox, an irony, a stupidity and a travesty of social justice all rolled into one.
Those who refuse to serve their country and defend her, deem themselves judges over those who do serve and defend.
Two people desiring to wed and share their life together has nothing to do with religion.
59. There is one thing that every Jew has, that no convert
can ever have: stories. Doesn't matter if a Jew is religious or not, there are always stories to tell. After all, the bible is a big story, and after that was written, wise men wrote more stories to try and interpret those stories. A language and culture developed, and more stories emerged...from Jewish Europe. And as Jews assembled in Israel, they brought stories from all over the world. I don't think someone from Ireland or Belgium or Norway can appreciate talking to a Morrocan, a Yemeni, a Pole, a Romanian, an Ethiopian...all in one day. And we are all related.
So don't get on this ladies case. She's doing the best she can, she served her country, she doesn't claim to be Jewish. Leave it. We have stories.
60. It's not what the rabbis say its how they say
The rabbis or for that matter the public need to say things in more derech Erezt i.e more polite way .what the rabbis told this young brave soldier is not wrong it's the way ,the tone .... she made Aaliyah from Russia a world well known for its atheistic ways in other words when addressing issue with somebody totally ignorant of Halacha the rabbis should be ready to explain and not shoot from their mouth