We Diaspora Haredim will support whichever coaltion Bibi forms, just as we supported Israel in earlioer times when the govt was strongly anti-religious. Some dropped the word 'medina' from the Prayer for Israel, but nothing more. If Jews are not prophets, they are children of prophets and we trust their electoral judgment.
3. YesYes and Yes again
Get the Haredim OUT OF POLITICS NOW!!!
4. they have as much right to be there as others
Shas & UTJ have just as much as the opportunists like Livni & Lapid or the single issue parties.
5. The Pious Ones have to get back to their bedrooms to repro-
duce some more then, by the self-destructive gene that's built in into Democracy, they will be able to vote themselves into absolute power.
Until then we should do our utmost to EXCLUDE their presence in the Corridors of Power , by DEMOCRATIC means of course!
In the time (window of opportunity) we've lef,t we must educate the dark masses of Bney Brak& Mea Shearim so that the first mentioned scenario doesn't come true.
If we fail: we're royally screwed.
6. Contradictions !.
How can Anyone demand an Equal share of Burden,
and at the same time demand that the Sharers shall be Excluded from Government.
Public Oppinion at its worst.
7. The "self examination"
should include the question of why so many Israelis have left Israel and settled abroad, never to return, because of the Haredim. People tend to turn a blind eye to this. All those who have left will cite this as one of the major reasons for their decision to leave.
8. 7Jews quitting Israel are looking...
for an easier life.That s the truth.
9. # 8 Ora
You are very shallow. I said it is one of the reasons. Of course they are looking for a better life, one where religious fanatics do not control government and legislation, one where religious fanatics do not spit on women, one where if you do not wish to travel on Shabbat then you stay at home but others do as they please, one where all children are obliged to learn all subjects and grow up normal. One where Saturday is the busiest day of the week at airports and not that they are closed down. Etc.etc.etc.
10. 9 Sagi, I at least do not leave Israel
for shallow pretexts.
The first Israeli pioneers [your grand-parents] had to fight hunger,drought,Arab progoms, 3rd world diseases, mosquitos,snakes and so on. I don t need to tell you,you know better than i.
They did not quit.
11. # 10 Ora
Great Grandparents, I did not know them but yes, they were indeed great.
12. non-religious government
A non-religious government doesn't mean exclusion of religious parties and MKs from the Knesset. It means the PM and Ministers would pursue secular policies and if disliked they could be voted out and the religious parties could return to the executive part of government.
Consider an end to welfare and army exclusion for the religious and secular family law. The religious could still keep their own hierarchy and family rules but with only community pressure to enforce, rather than courts and police. Consider also the boost to the economy.
No religious persecution, including no persecution of the secular and religious non-Orthodox!