1. Finally, hopefully, the message is sinking in: Israel and...
...the Arab Israeli conflict, are not linked to other events and phenomena in the region and around the world that ought first to be addressed. We, Jews, certainly wish to bring about an accommodation of peaceful coexistence between us and the Muslim-Arab world, local and regional, between our liberal democratic and sovereign nation-state of Israel and the states and societies that surround it, but we shall be able to achieve this desired goal when the other first accept Israel's very RIGHT to be, to exist as the sovereign nation-state of our people, and it hasn't so far. So, we shall have to manage the situation the best way possible, and other more dramatic issues around the region and the world need to be handled for the time being.
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,
2. To: Jehudah Ben-Israel at No. 1
Brilliant post. Exactly. I realize that it pains the ersatz "Palestinians" that they are not actually number one on anyone's agenda, but they have passed up too many important opportunities and remained obstinate and violently inclined for anyone to take them seriously any longer. Their fault; no one else's.
The only preconditions that exists to any remote possibility that Israel can be coaxed back to the negotiation table accrue exclusively to the ersatz "Palestinians." Israel sets the terms and conditions. Not the ersatz "Palestinians." Their demands are laughable. They need to really, REALLY understand just how irrelevant they are.
As if that will ever happen!
Sarah B ,
U.S.A. / Israel
3. US on Israel
thanks God that Obama expressed concern for the ME in general and Israel in particular. I hope he reads the Bible where clearly is written that God chooses a land (Israel) and a people (Jews) to proclaim Himself to the nations of the world. Our hope and prayers go to change of mind and hearts of islam followers so obsessed for Jerusalem. We will pray for her peace, psalm 122.
Shalom from Holland
4. No.1 and No. 2 ***Sarah***...Agreed ! But
it should finally also become clear, that Judea and Samaria are NOT negotiable !
It is as simple as that !
Obama reads the Koran...and, not the Judeo/Christian Bible. He's a godless heathen! If he did read the Christian Bible, he'd know that he's violating God's foreign policy of Genesis 12:1-3. The Bible also states that all those who attempt to divide God's Land will be "...cut to pieces...." Obama even wears a ring that shows his loyalty to the false Moon god of Islam. It's foolish to believe the Muslims' want anything but to destroy Israel; their various charters attest to that fact. Obama is all talk; and, Israel would be foolish to believe otherwise. Obama is a Trojan-horse and nothing more than a puppet whose strings are pulled by those who hate Israel. All-out war is coming; nothing will change that. Isaiah 17:1 intimates Damascus, Syria will soon cease to exist. Islam is about to suffer a major defeat! Obama is a godless fool who gets high on his own supply of narcissism. His destruction is coming; God's judgment is forthwith! God bless, Israel; praying for the peace of Jerusalem!!! Christian Zionist
Jake Stone ,
Barack was Mohamed's magic flying horse. He took Mohamed to the farthest mosque (Islam's claim to Jerusalem) to meet all of the Jewish Prophets.
Watch out for this guy.
7. Obama we Will fight for freedom
We Will stand with Israël = we Will fight Against the palestinian freedom.
8. We will stand steadfast with Israel
Does Obama means Israel with 1948 borders or Israel and all occupied Palestinian lands.
You mean the future State of Palestine looks like Swiss Cheese.
10. To #5 the bible-thumping, evangelical
Perhaps you should read Revelation 2:9 from your bible as it warns you against the very people you evangelicals worship,the people who killed Christ and are proud of it.
11. #2 Sarah
I am neither a muslim nor a Palestinian but I can assure you that your idea will never be acceptable by the occupied. There answer will be 'THE PERSON WHO ACCEPTS YOUR IDEA IS NOT BORN YET"
12. To: No. 10
The Romans? Who said anything about the Romans?
Sarah B ,
U.S.A. / Israel
Your taking it out of context. The crucifixion was political amongst two groups. The Romans and the Jewish religious leaders. The religious leaders wanted a messiah that would throw off the yoke of Rome and not one that preached peace. Much like our modern day politicians they wanted power. The Romans wanted to keep things the way they were and didn't want anyone to rock their boat. The Priests wanted to get rid of Jesus which they couldn't do on their own because Rome called the shots. Pilate wimped out and went along with the priests. The rest of the Jews at the time had no wish to get rid of Jesus but like us they were under the thumb of their leaders both Jewish and Roman. You can't blame the Jewish people for what happened. You are as guilty as anyone living today Andy. Jake #5 is right and you would do well to listen.
Left Coast, USA
14. To: Eaglebeak at No. 13
I have to take issue with your comment about Pontius Pilate and your suggestion about Jesus.
Pontius Pilate was the very worst of a long line of terribly cruel Roman prefects. It is believed that he was so bad, he was called back to Rome and ordered to commit suicide. Moreover, the very notion of a Roman prefect that would cede any decision-making to the conquered people he ruled over is absurd on its face. There is simply no possibility that the episode where Pilate supposedly asks the assembled people to choose between Jesus and Barabas could not have happened. There was no such tradition at Passover -- or at any other time. That is not how the Romans operated -- anywhere throughout the Empire.
Jesus was a hedge priest with a very small following. Self-proclaimed messiahs have come and gone throughout Jewish history. His would not have been a new or innovative message. The best that can be said from the dearth of information about him during his lifetime is that it is safe to assume that he was born, lived, and died a horrible death. The only information recorded about him was written a century after his death. Josephus -- who wrote about EVERYTHING -- made no mention of Jesus. I certainly do not wish to denigrate Christianity, or to insult you, but the Jesus that is recorded in the Gospels varies greatly from the historical Jesus.
Sarah B ,
U.S.A. / Israel
15. ***Sarah*** at 14...I will not be so kind with
I don't think Pilate ceded anything I think he just took what seemed to be the easy way out of a problem.
I choose to belive the gospel version of Jesus. There have been many false messiahs and will be more but none of them have had or will have the impact that Jesus has had and is still having today. I am not trying to change you Sarah. I like you the way you are. It's not my job to change people anyway. Thank you for your reply.
Left Coast, USA
17. #10 Andy,
Who killed Jesus? The romans and they are not proud of anything anymore. Studying history is a way to avoid embarrassments.
18. Chris Rettenmoser # 15
Well....that's not how I would try to impress a lady.
Left Coast, USA
19. Such experts on Jesus and Roman History...
Maybe if you weren't so interesting in irrelevant history, you'd be further along in your mission to that 'light unto nations'"! Doesn't seem you're making progress..and now you even have serious WAR Crimes staring at you..
Have you been making progress on getting the world to be less anti-Semitic?
Seems you're always surrounded by monumental failures,,, too much looking back!1
So how long do you think Israel will last?
20. to 14 and 16
During his lifetime-the period that is recorded in the gospels-there is not one word written about Jesus.So,he was not a prominent person even if he did exist.
john Darren ,
21. will somebody please change the record this ons is boring
22. To #10 Andy
Being ignorant of the holy scriptures does not excuse you from the simple fact that you don't have a clue about what you're talking about! Jesus Christ died on the Cross-of-Calvary to save mankind from its sins; the very sin-nature that condemns us all because of what Adam and Eve lost (our spiritual union with God) in the garden of Eden. We all put Christ on that cross; our collective sins' put him there. He hung on that cross to save us from God's eternal judgment. Those who live by the Law will die by the Law. Only God's grace through our faith can save us from eternal hell--period! As a Christian Zionist, we believe in the Abrahamic Covenat, how Abraham would be a blessing to all nations; and, through his lineage would come the Messiah (Jesus Christ)! I, like Jake Stone, love and support God's chosen people--Israel! During the "...time of Jacob's trouble..." the promised remant, of Jews, will finally see the truth and accept God's grace through their faith in Christ. It's going to happen! God bless, Israel and His Jerusalem!!!