Jewish Scene
Rebbe: Seculars to blame for wars
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 25.02.13, 15:03
Comment Comment
Print comment Print comment
Back to article
88 Talkbacks for this article
1. this rabbi is a shame for judaism!
Ze'ev   (02.25.13)
2. study
john ,   toronto   (02.25.13)
Those who study Torah connect to the security of Israel.Who wants to wait for the next war when there is a better way to security ?Reject war and those who want to bring wars to Israel.
3. Purim?
Sherlock Holmes ,   London England   (02.25.13)
Israel is not Russia and no one is expecting boys to be drafted for 25 years in a campaign to anihilate Judaism. This is a few years in a military unit geared to the religious needs of Haredim. No point blaming the less learned Israelis for causing the danger to Israel; think of those yeredim who left Israel or European Jews who chose to leave Europe for the Goldene Medine instead of Eretz HaKodesh, when the gates were still wide open. There is a bigger picture.
4. 1948
Ariel ,   São Paulo - Brasil   (02.25.13)
How many Bachurei yeshivot where here in 1948? No more the 150 So , may be the rabbi's theory is wrong
5. We have heard this drivel before1
Ben ,   Chutzlaaretz   (02.25.13)
Sorry "Rebbe", I am hoping your words were taken out of context, but on the face of it, this is the same as the moron "Rabbis" who claim the Shoa was caused by the Reform movement. "If Only all jews crowded into their little cheders and studied Torah all day, there would be no calamities. Sorry.. "No Torah without Parnasa, and no Parnasa without Torah! Please remember that. And statements such as yours, cause sinat chinam! If these statements are truly your, than a "Rebbe" you are not!
6. this guy belongs in a insane asylum
CHAIM.S ,   BROOKLYN NY   (02.25.13)
this criminally insane ignorant savage,belongs in a insane asylum for the criminally insane, and by the way i am a chareidi jew myself. what a CHILLUL HASHEM this ignorant savage has caused
7. "Our right to be quiet and serene"?
JDE ,   Boston, USA   (02.25.13)
LOL!! Oh, my. You really cannot make this stuff up.
8. What happened to them in the 40's ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.25.13)
Where was this protection ? Did saying tehilim on their way to the gas chambers save them ? Does this rabbi believe his stupidities ?
9. When the Rebbe is willing to carry my soldier sons as I...
Sarita Montiel ,   Israel   (02.25.13)
carry his sons... Then the Rebbe will have the right to make these comments. Until the Rebbe is willing to carry my IDF soldier sons as I carry his I strongly and respectfully urge the Rebbe to be SILENT!
10. On the Contrary!
Yehuda ,   Yerushalayim   (02.25.13)
If the holy people who value Torah and mitzvoth serve in the army, maybe Israel will start winning wars once again! Our Sages specifically say that those Jews who are afraid of war because of their sins, are sent back!
11. Only in the last 30 years have rabbis started this stupidity
Yehuda ,   Israel   (02.25.13)
Jews have NEVER survived by just studying Torah and praying. We have survived by DOING TORAH. That includes fighting when necessary.
12. @Charles in Petach Tikvah: Before you call a Gedol 'stupid'.
Julie ,   Modiin   (02.25.13)
Maybe you ought to think out your comments BEFORE you write them. He is speaking about the Land of Israel, not 1940's Europe. If you like it or not, you and I both are receiving that protection as we type. The protection of Torah here in the Land of Israel is not up for debate. It is fact.
13. magical thinking on all sides
Avramele   (02.25.13)
To say that Torah study protects Israel is absurd magical thinking. Likewise, the "share the burden" obsession/belief of the secular and national religious commmunities that a haredi draft has security benefits is also rediculous magical thinking. Perhaps in 1948 and the the 50's it all could have been arranged differently (as could the educational system)... but in 2013 Haredi IDF service is a simple fairness issue that defies and easy fix. (It is of course hurtful to many, particularly for those of us whose family serves in combat units.) Yet it is not an Israeli existential issue on which governments should rise and fall. On theo ther hand, Arab and Haredi workforce representation and levels of state dependency are important public policy issues of concern that require thoughtful long range solutions that should start now but not demagoguery of the Lapid/bennett variety.
14. If instead of pointing fingers at..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (02.25.13)
others ,we would ALL be the best version of OURSELF,then Israelis would respect each other and be united .That s how G-D wants to see us,and with His help we are safe. I understand what the Rabbi means and don t intend to contradict him,but i feel sorry for the Secular Jews who feel offended .
15. easy to say
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (02.26.13)
but perhaps our problems come from the immoral deals of the religious themselves who, by their disgusting behavior, turn off many non religious from wanting to observe mitzvot. Perhaps G-d does not differentiate between religious and non religious: we are all His children and when His children help each other He is pleased and when the opposite is true, His wrath burns. Imagine a father with several children. When the 'haves' help the 'have nots', the father is pleased; but when the 'haves' pull away and curse the 'have not's' for not being 'haves' the father's wrath burns.
16. Rav is offensive with his racist bias against secular.
Michael ,   California, USA   (02.26.13)
He has decreed that those who read Torah protect Israel. What about the 3,000 years of reading Torah which didn't protect Jews from pogroms, rapes, holocausts, diseases, catastrophes? For every instant this rav supposedly shows some divine protection of Jews, it is possible to show there wasn't anything divine at all, that everything was logical and secular. So, he offends any thinking person's sensibilities, is offensive in his zeal to divide Israelis by religion and race.
17. Opposite true, "chosen" religion brought destruction to Jews
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (02.26.13)
18. #14. ORA: Unfortunately, there is too much
Runner1983 ,   USA   (02.26.13)
of a gulf between the haredi and non-haredi cultures for mutual understanding and respect. As far as the rabbi goes, secular Israelis shouldn't take him seriously, because he, like most other haredi rabbis, have zero credibility within the non-haredi community.
19. silly stuff
iselin ,   Oslo, Norway   (02.26.13)
This guy needs to join the real world, but he never will. Very self-important, though he would disagree.
20. studying Torah defends nobody, remember the shoa
Ze'ev   (02.26.13)
...the nazis came and killed. The eastern europe yeshiovt had no protection from above, no jew had! Israel did survive till today, because this time the jews fight back! A armed Jew will survive! The haredim should kiss the ground where IDF soldiers walk on!
21. #12 julie (#8 charles)
solomon ,   bklyn   (02.26.13)
I have read your and Charles’ posts. Charles is right. You are wrong. If prayers truly protect Jews, why does it matter where they are? Bubemeisis.
22. sometimes Rebbe does know whats best for us all
zionist forever   (02.26.13)
In 1967 the late Lubavitcher Rebbe told Eshkol whilst the arabs of Jerusalem were scared of what Israel MIGHT DO to them ( they treated Jews bad ) he suggested to Eshkol to forcibly buy out arabs at well bellow market value and then given them 48 hours to get out of town and they would have been glad to leave but sadly Eshkol didn't listen to the Rebbe. If we had legitimately bought out the arabs & rode them out of town when we had a chance in 1967 many of the problems we have today would not exist. How can there be a so called arab east Jerusalem if there are no arabs living there, how can palestinians demand Jerusalem as their capital when there are no arabs living there? They don't always get it right but sometimes we should look long term and not just dismiss a suggestion out of hand because it came from a Rebbe rather than somebody secular.
23. julie 12
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.26.13)
Prayers and "study" of tora NEVER helped , never help and never will help anybody . For me a "rabbi" who says such things is KATAN KATAN
24. I am convinced that -
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (02.26.13)
- this Rabbe does not know HASHEM of thr Torah !. Arn.Sweden.Arn.
25. zionist forever 22
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.26.13)
And you think that they would have accepted this ? You also forget their mosque .
26. Reductio ad absurdum
Sagi   (02.26.13)
Following this man's logic. If all the seculars in Israel grow beards and sidelocks, don funny uniform and stick their noses in a book all day long then we shall have no enemies and ergo no need for an army, thus all will be "exempt" On the other hand, if all the seculars were not agreeable to this and emigrated from Israel to live in normal countries where religion does not control the lives of men, then the remaining 10/20% would have no choice but to establish an army and fight our relentless enemies. Perhaps they have in mind, for this event, "an army of God's servants", invincible no doubt, the weapon of battle being not an inovation, but a book.
27. I am a father of a soldier...he is young...studied in a
Al   (02.26.13)
yeshiva...wears a beard and payos and commands a 65T tank. On his off days which happen once in a while he goes to his yeshiva, learns a blatt gemora, and shoots the breeze with some of his yeshiva buddies. Most of his yeshiva buddies are next to useless, my son knows that and quite frankly they wont amount to very much in life. Its also interesting that in his tank unit, most of the high achievers are religious even haredi. God helps those who help themselves. This Rabbi is an imbecile and shame to the Jewish religion and people. I wish he would shut up and thank his lucky stars that there are Jews ready to sacrifice their lives to protect his useless ass. If anyone of you were to see my son in his payos and beard manning his tank, you would all feel as I do. He does me proud. He is a real Jew as are all his fellow soldiers both religious and secular. Our soldiers are the true Jews.
28. 27 To me,your son represents..
ORA ,   JERUSALEM   (02.26.13)
what i long for Israel to be: a MODERN state with a Jewish SOUL.
29. #27: G_d bless your son, and keep him safe.
Runner1000 ,   USA   (02.26.13)
30. The real irony of this idiocy is in the very name that this
tom ,   tel aviv   (02.26.13)
sect has chosen: Peremyshlyany (as far as my knowledge of Slavic languages goes) translates loosely as something that has been "thought through" !! I am asking you.....:-)) One more proof that Torah eats up brain cells, or does one have to have a deficiency to begin with??
Next talkbacks
Back to article