Incorrectly phrased, but still Spanish, not Portuguese ;)

Would the authorities do the same thing or slink away with their tails between their legs for fear of stirring the hornet's nest?

she went to Moslem countries. People need to respect the values of others when in their places. Lefties respect no-one and that is the real problem here.

Extremist Religious Muslims trying to force US women to wear Hijabs and Burqa on US based commerces?. Let them have it. But until that happens, stay focused on the current, actual deeds of these Extremist Religious Chareidim, pushing their views on US Female citizens, in the US. Please try not to derail the posts, and do contribute to the discussion.

And do the dosim respect anyone except their own kind?? Some of the streams of haradim (mispelling intended) don't even acknowledge that other streams are Jews!!!

degrade themselves, as do the haredi in Israel, the United States does not make these demands on anybody. And those who live in the United States, whether orthodox Jew, moslem, eskimo or whatever, must repsect the law of the land they live in, not the opposite. It has nothing to do with left or right ideology. I dare anyone to yell "shabbos" at me if I drive my care in Antwerpen on Saturday. If they don't like it, they should live in Mea Shearim or Modi'in Illit.

This is not discrimination based on any sort of cultural, religious or national reason, and it isn't that extreme of measures either. I was under the impression as well that store owners in the US could reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

glad to see that nonsense doesnt fly here

my subject line is what used to be posted in stores all over the greater ChicagoLand area...and throughout the USA in the 60s and 70s. and not a one of those places was slapped with any suit...what's really going on here?

they have a dress code too you know! additionally are they also going to be suing all of the restaurants and clubs throughout NY which require jacket and tie before entering?

"Bar Room, Upstairs at '21', and Wine Cellar: Jackets are necessary for gentlemen. Jeans and sneakers are not permitted." N.B. it discriminates against men as they are the ones who need jackets. What about the ladies?

They're fed up with you, they're fed up with everything that comes with your presence there or anywhere you managed to establish yourself ripping off a taxpayer and local population ,...

In a courthouse for example,people do not enter wearing as they please;in a church people can not enter in biquini;in the streets people are not allowed to go naked;in a more formal restaurant men can not enter without a shirt..... I think that the ones suffering discrimination in this case are the owners of the stores, and they are entitled to counter these accusers by accusing them.

The 21 club's dress code is based on fashion, the Chareidim business' code is based on Religion. You can enforce dress codes on your property, not your religious views, even if it's clothes based.

This will be a great precedent when the store owners beat those religious punks in New York. Women can wear whatever they want within the law and no religious storekeeper can deny an entry to some and not to others. The victory in courts is assured. Likewise, Israeli women can sue Haredim in a class action and demand the welfare checks the Israeli government hands out to the Yeshivas. There is a lot of money to win out there.

and ur answer doesn't agree with ur comment. No one is asking the customers to convert to Judaism they are being asked to dress respectfully in order to enter the privately owned business establishment...this is no different than what the 21 Club is doing.

No bare feet, shorts, sleeveless or low cut neckline. Why is that an issue of 'gender'? If restaurants require men to wear a tie, but not women, that would be an issue of 'gender' AND religion as Hasidic men object to ties on religious grounds [no joke!]. I would have thought bare feet could be a health and hygiene issue, but gender? I hope the shopkeepers win.

Would it be unlawful for an employer to require men to wear a tie and jacket, but give women more freedom as long as they dress modestly? We had a case here in London of a boy who tested this theory. The school changed its school uniform to allow girls to wear uniform trousers, but did not change to allow boys to wear skirts. One boy came to school in a uniform skirt as a test case. It led to wide-ranging discussions about dress codes, with most agreeing equality law had its limitations!

It goes even higher than Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. When H M The Queen and H R H Princess Diana visited the Saudi King and other Muslim heads of state they wore long skirts and headscarves under their hats to cover every hair. Needless to say they wore long sleeves and high necklines. Every community has its own 'correct' unspoken dress code, and the one in these stores seems quite normal to me.

They are begining to behave like the modest Police in Theran,and Beit Shemesh there they can do as they please extrenmism has no limit whatever the religion

Respect. Correct, they did it to respect that countries' set (not "unspoken) dress code. In this, you have a not native Religious sub-group (Chareidi Judaism), trying to impose their "interpretive" belief of their native homeland (Judea) beliefs on US citizens in US based businesses, located on the US mainland. Now, that last one is "Lack" of respect. Good point, wrong analogy.

Chareidim have Modesty Police in Israel?. You are kidding me, right?. (No, quick Google and Wikipedia hit says you are right. "Also known as 'Modesty patrols' or 'Moral police'."?). So much for them being exclusive to Iran and the Gulf's Arab states. At least they haven't reach US shores yet (*cross fingers*).

The Torah, the Bible, or the Quran do not list any Religious "modesty dress codes" that are applicable to 21st Century's businesses. "Ur" better stick to fact that just your "opinion". It doesn't make a good counter-argument.

Forget your impression just read the brochure that comes with the busines license anywhere in US ,...

This is not such an easy case to decide. I'm not so sure the store owners are imposing their views on others as much as they are asking others to be respectful their culture and beliefs inside their private establishment. Otherwise, could someone bring a wet, soggy bag of fresh clams into a Kosher store and put it down on the counter where vegetables go? Of course not. I see that less as imposing the store owners views on the customer as much as asking the customer to allow the store owner freedom to practice his religion without interference. Laws against IMPOSING one's religious views are meant to protect religious minorities. In this case, however, the law is being use to protect the majority from having to respect minority views that single out no particular group of people, but are meant to guarantee that their minority views are respected inside their establishments. Are they really imposing their views, or asking they be respected? Sticky wicket. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

so would requiring someone to wear a tie to a fancy club would also be discrimination? i went to a gym that would not allow you to wear street clothes to workout in and required people to wear appropriately modest clothing (not a jewish gym).

Most NYC Hasidim are born in the States. They have been in the USA for a few generations, at least as long as most of the Hispanics, for instance. When I'm in NYC I notice that most people observe most of the rules suggested, aside from some sleeveless tops. The code is not that strange.

I remember signs saying, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." As well as "No shoes, no shirt, no service." They are within their rights. Discrimination is based upon race, religion or creed. There is a VAST difference.