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Embrace moderate Muslim leaders
Rabbi Marc Schneier
Published: 23.02.13, 14:00
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1. DESPERADO
gallula ,   paris   (02.23.13)
Unfortunetaly Imam Chalghoumi is alone and is not representtive of the 10 millions of muslims in France. He is protected by 2 guards, him and his family and always receives threatens. The basis is the education and the koran. the rest is blablabla
2. It's not an "incident in Toulouse" it's an
Yossef   (02.23.13)
assassination! Ask the parents.
3. "Moderate Moslem"
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (02.23.13)
Well, that's a fine oxymoron! Even better than "jumbo shrimp." As far as the State of Israel is concerned, the only difference between a "radical" Moslem and a "moderate" Moslem is that moderate Moslems want to bring about the destruction of the State of Israel and the EXPULSION of the Jews, whereas radical Moslems want to bring about the destruction of the State of Israel and the EXTERMINATION of the Jews. A meaningless distinction.
4. No equivalence between anti-Semitism & anti-Muslim bigotry.
Steve   (02.23.13)
Rabbi Schneier wrote: "The Foundation for Ethnic Understanding held in Brussels in December, 2010.... resolved to work to combat anti-Semitism and anti-Muslim bigotry...." "(L)eading Muslim and Jewish leaders gathered in the German city of Osnabruck for an event in which they strategized on how to work together to combat anti-Semitism and anti-Muslim bigotry...." How is all this "anti-Muslim bigotry" manifesting itself here in the West? I do not see it. More and more people in the West are bowing to pressure by Muslim supremacists to accommodate Islamic law and practices; to the point of barring any critical discussion of Islam itself. Resistance to supremacist demands are met by cries of anti-Muslim bigotry. Where do we see Muslims attacked, injured or killed (unprovoked) by non-Muslims in the United States and the West today?
5. Alliance
Zechariah   (02.23.13)
This alliance of Sane and Humane Jews and Islam ought be recognised strongly and supported against violent Jihadi and NeoNazism .
6. the rabbis havent learned a thing in 1400 years
name witheld   (02.23.13)
the ideology of hate believes in its own apocolyptic victory over all jews. It believes as a fundamental of its doctrine that all jews will become mohamedans or will be butchered. They believe as core doctrine that the arabs will be raised from the dead and march on jerusalem. There can never be any doubt that the ideology they hold is not compatible in any way to that of any other faith. To state otherwise is simply fiction
7. It will be a hard task
Mark ,   London, UK   (02.23.13)
There are plenty of ignorant people around who will find "leaders", whether in their country of residence or abroad, who will justify their instincts to murder, rape and bigotry.
8.  NONE.. ARE TRUTHFUL
WM 'ZEV' BERNICK ,   TORONTO CANADA   (02.23.13)
WRONG WRONG WRONG.. islam, in its' own defence, is allowed to LIE to the greatest extent, to gain an advantage over its' adversaries.. DO NOT BE FOOLED... EVER.. realize.. that their goal.. is world domination... if there are lies to be told....... so it goes..
9. Moderate muslims.
Iranian H   (02.23.13)
I keep telling you, i am former shia muslims. They are not moderate. Mohammad the prophet of Islam have a history. read his history, he is definitely not a kumbaya singer that spreads Islam using peace, love and flowers. His successor Umar (according to sunnis) is even worse, he conquered Persia. his successor conquered Byzantine lands. Don't forget India is also conquered by Mughal Empire. I am telling you, moderate muslims are like flying pigs. They exist but it's only possible because of manipulation of gene / the religion.
10. Good ideas! Alliance among the sane!
2013   (02.23.13)
The other side is small. Just a few bad apples in Saudi Arabia and Iran. Humanity must neutralize those bad apples in all cultures. There are bad apples on a smaller scale in Judaism and Christianity, Communism, Capitalism...., too. Tomorrow, we will live in the non-violent universe. Tomorrow can be tomorrow, or 1000 years later. It all depends on all of us.
11. Did rabbis Ovidia Yosef, Ginnsburg, Shapiro & Dov attend.
Gentile   (02.23.13)
They surely need to learn tolerance.
12. In UK Terrorists planned 8 Suicide Bombings.Not one report
Alan ,   SA   (02.23.13)
was received from Muslim Community in Birmingham about preparations..There were more of the Faithful involved but their parents called them back from Pakistan Training Camps BUT did not tell UK MI6 a word.... The UK Undercover had to find out about the plot from other methods Now the Community makes light of the story trivialising and saying they were not real Terros... just a few misguided bunglers It was supposed to be the BIGEST destruction yet,with 8 suicide bombers in different places and with Guns to complete the attack So tell me about TAKIYA!
13. To No. 3
Bertram ,   London, UK   (02.23.13)
You never fail to disappoint, Sarah B. Your rhetorical mutterings are quite helpful when it is important to exemplify bigotry, ignorance and hatred. Especially useful when helping children to understand these issues. If you are quoted you need to be properly cited, ensuring your notoriety extends beyond the pages of Ynet!
14. For moderate Judaism see.....
Bertram ,   London, UK   (02.23.13)
Chapter 9 of the Megillah. No wonder it is traditional to drink to excess on Purim.
15. #9
MONA ,   US   (02.23.13)
You are so confused,I feel sorry for you ,There are a great number of real moslems who are peaceful and want to work and live a nice life,educate yourself more,end
16. Sheikh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi,
Robert Haymond ,   Tekoa, Israel   (02.23.13)
leader: Italian Muslim Assembly. I hasten to add his name and affiliation. Quite extraordinary!
17. There are five different main schools
Robert Haymond ,   Tekoa, Israel   (02.23.13)
of Muslim legal principles and interpretations. Placing all Muslims and Muslim ways of thinking, as is prevalent amongst anti-Islamists in the same vein is a scholarly error. We need to fight this abomination in an intelligent manner and make use, as allies, those Muslim leaders who are deadset against Islamic incursions and terror methods.
18. a good reason to depart religion & the left from the state
ygalg ,   israel   (02.23.13)
19. Bertra, London #14: But not because they were "unbelievers."
Steve   (02.23.13)
Therein lies the difference. There are no commandments to "slay the Unbelievers wherever you find them" in the Torah. Why? Because unbelievers can be righteous or decent people. Not so according to the Qur'an.
20. So our learned rabbis are buying the Good Cop rutine?
tomas ,   tel aviv   (02.23.13)
21. To: No. 13
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (02.23.13)
Perhaps you should speak to the children of Sderot, Bertie boy. I don't think they need any help understanding the issues, but you surely do. Of course, then you can have a nice chat with the surviving Fogel children. Ask them about the issues, you dolt!
22. the problem with Islam,
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (02.23.13)
All immigrants who came to the west,in one generation have changed their names,the garb,the language,and became very loyal citizens,this is not the case with muslims,muslims would like to impose on their host countries the same system of government and religion they had in the countries they escaped from,the mulims just came to the cene,and they claim,that the muslims invented Monotoism,and feel supperior to western civilization, no mulla,kaddy,imam,issued a fatwa against binladen and his gang,which says a lot.
23. #13. Please stop trolling
Tom W ,   USA   (02.23.13)
Your post avoids factual reasoning, countervailing arguments, instead you love to spew uppity lecturing and scolding those who don't share your radical leftist/islamist creed. Your self aggrandizing, boastful rhetoric is subject to ridicule among posters.
24. #9 Lying?
Iranian H   (02.24.13)
you really expect to fool people ? you can only fool people that don't know islam. But you can't expect to fool people that are former muslims. Muhammad killed many jews, his successor invades Persia, Byzantine and India. You're nothing but a liar. I feel sorry for you and your religion that needs to lie to protect itself.
25. Bertram @3, it is easy to fill high and mighty at others
leo ,   usa   (02.24.13)
expense, isn't it. You are like a barrel half filled with small stones and rolling downhill.
26. #24 is for #15
Iranian H   (02.24.13)
27. #22.J.K: You're mistaken
Tom W ,   USA   (02.24.13)
The key lies in the numbers. As long as an immigrant is an isolated individual the assimilation process will be swift. The instinct of survival is paramount. When their number reaches the critical mass and turn into a large ethnic or religious block the assimilation slows down even it stops altogether. Latinos stick to their own culture and language, Korea-town in L.A. don't use English signs...there are Little Saigon, Little "this and that". There are huge number of mosques in every State, where radical imams keeping the Islamic faiths alive. Moreover Islam has an aggressive, militant, violent aspect to it which dominate the masses and funnel their continuous rage.
28. Dialogue
Bertram ,   London, UK   (02.24.13)
The issue is straightforward. Despite difficulties and.mistrust do you support efforts to develop dialogue between peoples? Is it important focus on opportunities or constantly to dwell on obstacles?
29. To: No. 28
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (02.24.13)
Well, you tell me. The Jews have always focused on opportunities. The Arabs have always dwelt upon obstacles. Does a swimmer in the ocean engage in "dialogue" with a shark, Bertie? I used to have some respect for you. I've lost it all. You're just another self-hating Jew. Sigh .... seen you come .... and seen you go. Why not travel to Ramallah and enter a mosque beseeching "dialogue." Exactly what do you think will happen to you? Of course, I do encourage you to pursue your clueless ecumenism. Just let me know where to send flowers.
30. Correction to 28
Bertram ,   London, UK   (02.24.13)
The final sentence should have read: "....important to focus....".
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